USAirways Purchases Domain Name for AA Merger

[767one]

Yea, those guys that just started Bus school are a figment of my imagination. The first 321's are going to be used west coast to Hawaii. But you're right. Lots of moving parts, so anything can change.

You know, you asked what my price was and I told you. Now you say it doesn't matter because the wizards behind the curtain could care less if labor is on board. Then Kirby says he need labor support for it to work...

I guess we'll see when the dust settles...

Have a good weekend.

Kirby's idea of getting labor on board is for labor to roll over or just plain ignore labor. They will do what they want and the employees will once again be left with a mess to clean up.

 

[767one]

Thanks for the interesting discourse and non-intimidating tone of your reply.
Here's just one more observation:
I saw the proposed pay rates for AA equipment going forward, and the AB320 series pays 141 versus a 737/MD88 paying 160.
With the airbus and the boeing being essentially the same size airplanes, why the disparity?
I would be very suspicious that after the dust settles, the boeing orders would be cancelled, in favor of more airbii.
Also, it should be noted that 141 is the current west rate for TOS captains. And LCC has a boatload of AB type hulls.
Make of it what you will, just pointing it out....
Cheers.

Managements do have a way of making airplane orders disappear. We have seen that before. But it would be nice if they didn't cancel the orders.

 

[N924PS]

I knew I should have checked the term sheet instead of assuming that pullup was using an actual fact.



AA will be hard pressed to put 150 seats in the 320 (the specific version, not shorthand for the family as I thought pullup meant). US puts less than 150 with only 12 FC and no extra legroom section in coach. I probably mis-remembered but thought it was posted in the AA thread about extra legroom that the current 7378's (or NG3's for WT) had over 150 and that the extra legroom would reduce that to just under 150.

Jim

Jim,

FYI:

USAirways A320 Family Seating:

A319 12F/112Y=124
A320 12F/138Y=150
A321 16F/167Y=183

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks. I was too lazy to look up the 320's actual capacity and ball-parked it.

Jim

 

[AAviator]

I wonder if the new seat design, the ones with the thinner seat back like southwest is using will make the 150 seat total FC, E+ and main cabin possible on the 320. The first deliveries are all 319's and 321's. Don't know when the 320's start showing up.

 

[luvthe9]

I wonder if the new seat design, the ones with the thinner seat back like southwest is using will make the 150 seat total FC, E+ and main cabin possible on the 320. The first deliveries are all 319's and 321's. Don't know when the 320's start showing up.

If I were you seats would be the last thing I would worry about.

 

[Maark767]

If I were you seats would be the last thing I would worry about.

Yeah , more worried about a merge with US!

 

[AAviator]

Not too worried. I give it about a 5% chance currently. Post BK with some major shearing at LCC prior to the integration, about a 10-15% chance.

I think it would be the worst thing to happen to AA and its employees though.

By far. And for reasons I've listed in this thread. Of which, none of "U" have been able to account for logically.

 

[johnny kat]

AAviator wrote:

Not too worried. I give it about a 5% chance currently. Post BK with some major shearing at LCC prior to the integration, about a 10-15% chance.

I think it would be the worst thing to happen to AA and its employees though.

By far. And for reasons I've listed in this thread. Of which, none of "U" have been able to account for logically.



LOGIC...what logic? This is the airline biz. Check out the link below for a perspective.


http://kjzz.org/content/1203/us-airways-american-airlines-could-merge

 

[AAviator]

Did you listen to the audio? I guess in your "Rainman" logic that the audio file means an LCC AA deal is a done deal. And thats not what was said.

Still waiting for you to quantify how all of the weaknesses inherent in the LCC operation is an asset to AA.

Why won't you touch that one johnny kat?

Logic... as in LCC's low revenue production... Its highest costs... its less than complimentary network VS. the other carriers out there...

You might have missed it, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Holly said there will be A deal... And no one is sure who..


OH I FORGET, THE LCC "MERGER OCCUPIERS" MANDATE THAT IT SHALL BE LCC!!!

I still maintain it would be the absolute worst thing to happen to AA and its employees if it should occur.

I would NEVER support such a deal.

 

[usa1]

When you see what the judge offers you ..... Dougs deal might look better.

 

[CactUS4Ever]

US employees do not want a merger with AA because we would most likely inherit The AA contracts after bankruptcy. We don't want a paycut and a loss of benefits and work rule changes. AA employees will have butthurt for many years to come and my butt does not enjoy pain.

 

[AAviator]

When you see what the judge offers you ..... Dougs deal might look better.

usa1,
Are you for real?

There's a 1113c term sheet on the table. It already looks better than LCC to me.

Since none of your cohorts seem to be able to answer my simple questions, USA320Pilot, PullUp, johnny kat, to name a few....

How about you step up to the plate and explain how: LCC with the highest costs in the industry, with the lowest revenue generation network and product, heavily supported by (which makes the LCC network make money..for now with fuel where it is) rj's, unhedged, very senior/topped out work force, with incremental revenue due to a domestic code share with UAL (which surely won't survive should LCC and AA merge) token international flying, and barely squeeking out a profit...Not to mention 757's and 767-200's older than AA's and in need of replacement...

How does this "Gem" get rolled into AA? And pile a bunch more costs on it.. AA has a cost problem... remember?

Now, how long would higher rates of pay (total compensation packages) work with such a combination? We'd be back in BK so fast and right back where "U" are your head would spin...

Yea, yea, I know... you speak from experience.. BK sucks.

Let me tell you this: I speak from experience too. Our TWA asset purchase brought unrealized and under appreciated riches from our TWA brethern.. "Treasure chests" full of route authorities. Highly skilled and experienced work force. Additional network strength with a thriving STL hub..... And my oh my... look at us now.

Care to give it a shot usa1? Will you go gopher on me and dive in a hole like the others? All this, given AA's other paths to take?

LCC + AA? No way.

 

[AAviator]

US employees do not want a merger with AA because we would most likely inherit The AA contracts after bankruptcy. We don't want a paycut and a loss of benefits and work rule changes. AA employees will have butthurt for many years to come and my butt does not enjoy pain.

So stop doing your deep knee bends over a fire hydrant.
Just a step or two in any direction should help...

 

[johnny kat]

AAviator wrote:

usa1,
Are you for real?

There's a 1113c term sheet on the table. It already looks better than LCC to me.

Since none of your cohorts seem to be able to answer my simple questions, USA320Pilot, PullUp, johnny kat, to name a few....

How about you step up to the plate and explain how: LCC with the highest costs in the industry, with the lowest revenue generation network and product, heavily supported by (which makes the LCC network make money..for now with fuel where it is) rj's, unhedged, very senior/topped out work force, with incremental revenue due to a domestic code share with UAL (which surely won't survive should LCC and AA merge) token international flying, and barely squeeking out a profit...Not to mention 757's and 767-200's older than AA's and in need of replacement...

How does this "Gem" get rolled into AA? And pile a bunch more costs on it.. AA has a cost problem... remember?

Now, how long would higher rates of pay (total compensation packages) work with such a combination? We'd be back in BK so fast and right back where "U" are your head would spin...

Yea, yea, I know... you speak from experience.. BK sucks.

Let me tell you this: I speak from experience too. Our TWA asset purchase brought unrealized and under appreciated riches from our TWA brethern.. "Treasure chests" full of route authorities. Highly skilled and experienced work force. Additional network strength with a thriving STL hub..... And my oh my... look at us now.

Care to give it a shot usa1? Will you go gopher on me and dive in a hole like the others? All this, given AA's other paths to take?

LCC + AA? No way.

Why can't the LCC folks answer basic question???????



Yes, it is true US is the outlier. All of the above pretty well sums it up. To get back to your question though...simple answer "I don't know". But for all of your bluster it is obvious you don't know either. Judging from your post I believe you are just fine with whatever AA management throws at you. And that is great and all if the others go along with it. I wish you luck.

I really don't care what happens at AA. My concern is what happens at US. IMHO, US really has nothing to lose by going full throttle after AA. Why not?