US and the 321neo

[Piedmont1984]

Pi and NLG

You guys have been flying too much transcon, not enough north/south like me. I get the 321 up to FL380/390 regularly Of course when you get there, TOD is usually the next waypoint.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi and NLG

You guys have been flying too much transcon, not enough north/south like me. I get the 321 up to FL380/390 regularly Of course when you get there, TOD is usually the next waypoint.

I wish! I've been stuck in ODAN land for a while now. Do we still fly west of the Mississippi?

It sure does make a 3.5 hr leg go by fast when you are always in a climb or descent, huh? ;-)

 

[Piedmont1984]

I wish! I've been stuck in ODAN land for a while now. Do we still fly west of the Mississippi?

It sure does make a 3.5 hr leg go by fast when you are always in a climb or descent, huh? ;-)

True story. MD-80 captain in PIT, a few months from retirement, lived in the PIT area and owned some acres - was doing a ODAN to BUF (as I recall). He had been up at dawn working on his property, moving stumps and boulders with his tractor.

They fly to BUF, check in at the hotel, he goes up to his room and falls asleep.

Next morning the crew meets in the lobby, no captain. So the F/O calls the captains room. The captain sits up, answers the phone, puts his hat back on - and walks down to the van.

He never even took off his jacket.

 

[No Land Green]

Now that's a funny story.

I'm enjoying these one day trips. Home every night. It's like having a normal job, almost LOL.....

Back to the thread.......I believe the 321 was not originally designed for transcon flying. It does work great on those North-South runs....

 

[Pi brat]

True story. MD-80 captain in PIT, a few months from retirement, lived in the PIT area and owned some acres - was doing a ODAN to BUF (as I recall). He had been up at dawn working on his property, moving stumps and boulders with his tractor.

They fly to BUF, check in at the hotel, he goes up to his room and falls asleep.

Next morning the crew meets in the lobby, no captain. So the F/O calls the captains room. The captain sits up, answers the phone, puts his hat back on - and walks down to the van.

He never even took off his jacket.

I believe it, and that was BUF! Who ever came up with them for YYZ, JFK and ORD needs to be talked to.

 

[No Land Green]

I believe it, and that was BUF! Who ever came up with them for YYZ, JFK and ORD needs to be talked to.

More thread creep, sorry.

The thing to remember about ODAN"s or COD's as we used to call them, they are exactly what they are:

ALL DUTY all nighter's or CONTINUOUS ON DUTY's.....there is nothing that says you have to get to a hotel when doing one. I avoid them.

 

[Move2CLT]

Now that's a funny story.

I'm enjoying these one day trips. Home every night. It's like having a normal job, almost LOL.....

Back to the thread.......I believe the 321 was not originally designed for transcon flying. It does work great on those North-South runs....

The 321 was designed to be a high volume 1000 - 1500 mile aircraft.

 

[700UW]

US initially cancelled all their A321 orders under Wolf, they ordered A319, A320 and A321s, the aircraft did not meet its performance gaurantees and US cancelled them.

Airbus then put an additional fuel tank in the plane , which in turn took away cargo space, the A321 is a nice plane but its performance is a dog.

After the additional fuel tanks US order them again.

 

[SparrowHawk]

RE:Old 321's

Questions from someone who is not on the flight deck.

A321 always seemed underpowered when sitting in F/C, are they underpowered and if so why?

I saw the acronym ODAN, what does that mean.

Thanks guys & gals

 

[A320 Driver]

RE:Old 321's

Questions from someone who is not on the flight deck.

A321 always seemed underpowered when sitting in F/C, are they underpowered and if so why?

I saw the acronym ODAN, what does that mean.

Thanks guys & gals

To get the 32K lb thrust CFM needed for takeoff, they just increased the fan RPM limit and do some rescheduling in the engine. I read an engineering report that said CFM never increased the climb thrust limit from the lower thrust setting like they did for takeoff.

Anyone who flies the 321 will tell you that it seems to have plenty of thrust for takeoff. It's when you reduce thrust to the climb detent that it becomes inadequate.

I have no knowledge of the IAE engine...never flew it.

Hope this helps.

Driver B)

 

[SparrowHawk]

To get the 32K lb thrust CFM needed for takeoff, they just increased the fan RPM limit and do some rescheduling in the engine. I read an engineering report that said CFM never increased the climb thrust limit from the lower thrust setting like they did for takeoff.

Anyone who flies the 321 will tell you that it seems to have plenty of thrust for takeoff. It's when you reduce thrust to the climb detent that it becomes inadequate.

I have no knowledge of the IAE engine...never flew it.

Hope this helps.

Driver B)

Thanks it does explain why at certain points in the climb it feels like the plane is really laboring. I always wondered as to why because getting off the ground it seems fine. Doesn't give the sensation of raw power that a 757 with the RR engine does but respectable until you get up in the air . Now I know why and it makes perfect sense.

 

[No Land Green]

RE:Old 321's





I saw the acronym ODAN, what does that mean.

Thanks guys & gals

On Duty All Night = ODAN

As a flight crew member you are "on duty" the entire trip. So while there is a hotel room reserved for you, there is no guarantee you will get to it. If you are delayed enough on your first leg, you could be up all night and turn right around and work the return leg.

Hope this helps.

 

[SparrowHawk]

On Duty All Night = ODAN

As a flight crew member you are "on duty" the entire trip. So while there is a hotel room reserved for you, there is no guarantee you will get to it. If you are delayed enough on your first leg, you could be up all night and turn right around and work the return leg.

Hope this helps.

Just goes to show you if you close your mind you never learn anything new. Thank you very much. All of the folks on here have really given me an eduction and I appreciate it beyond words. I've always had a natural curiosity and so far I haven't ended up like the cat!

 

[BoeingBoy]

I couldn't find any newer articles with specifics.

Airbus is claiming a 3720nm range.

A recent article, only a Google search away...

Jim

 

[A320 Driver]

Airbus is claiming a 3720nm range.

A recent article, only a Google search away...

Jim

Our first A321s were delivered with 169 seats. It was a reasonably comfortable airplane. I don't know how many we run now, but these NEOs plan 188 seats. Should fit right in with the overall US Airways strategy for making people as uncomfortable as possible on every flight, long or short.

Driver B)