Us Airways To Contract With Mobile Aerospace

[Busdrvr]

The primary reason there hasn't been a big history of outsourced jets crashing is simply because until now most major airlines did heavy MX on the inside. There have been a fair number of close calls however (including wheels falling off and mis-rigged flight controls). this WILL lower the level of safety. but your fares will be lower, congratulations. The good news is expert pilots will now be more valuable...

 

[ITRADE]

IIRC, WN has done their heavy MX outside for years. Not a crash from them.

 

[ClueByFour]

There will be no war. The IAM knows that this is only a minor dispute. We can now look forward to a bright future. The IAM members must decide if they are willing to risk the future of every employee group over 10 aircraft. This is a win-win situation for the entire company.

I, for one, hope they do.

Apparently, it looks like US might be telling a big whopper of a fib on having the equipment and facilities, in which case you have the major dispute, in which case you can kiss the airline goodbye.

Regarding the ValueJet thing--is there that much difference between faulty labeling and say a faulty trim cable (the CLT -1900)?

If there any time based incentives or penalties in the agreement with Mobile Aerospace than you are comprimising safety. Period.

I'd never thought that I'd say this, but even I smell a management shill.

 

[USFlyer]

Before someone mentions TPA, that is no longer owned and/or leased by US. So this cannot be taken into consideration when discussing what property is/is not available.

 

[N628AU]

Itrade,

A B1900 uses elevator cables that were not reinstalled properly. A B737 also uses elevator cables. The engine is a non-issue. The fact you differentiate between a "jet" and a "prop" in this case show your ignorance of aircraft systems. Both are turbine aircraft, a B1900 uses the turbine to spin a prop on the outside, and B737 or A320 uses it to produce thrust, with everything turning internally.

Most of your posts I agree with, but you are off base on this one. What will you try to argue next? When was the last time a 100 seat aircraft crashed due to outsourcing? Yes, in house mechanics can make mistakes just the same as one at an MRO, but the inhouse mechanic can more safely make a call to keep an aircraft grounded when the penalty of a large finanical fine is not over his/her head. IF some new hire mechanic is told "get this plane out or be fired", that is a lot of unwarranted pressure on him/her. I also have an issue of this company who has so much of an internal mess, can safely provide oversight for an outside company as well.

 

[ClueByFour]

I wonder if the operational wunderkids in the executive suite have figured out what they might do in the somewhat likely event that the IAM gets the TRO.......

 

[insp89]

There will be no war. The IAM knows that this is only a minor dispute. We can now look forward to a bright future. The IAM members must decide if they are willing to risk the future of every employee group over 10 aircraft. This is a win-win situation for the entire company.

You better trade in your crystal ball.....Your forecasting of the future of this airline could be premature.... The "LORENZOITES" that are running this company.... "into the ground".... has decided to put this WHOLE airline into jeopardy... This issue is FAR From over. :down:

 

[pitguy]

Dave and the witch Doctor will never have rest here. Never!

 

[ITRADE]

Itrade,

A B1900 uses elevator cables that were not reinstalled properly. A B737 also uses elevator cables. The engine is a non-issue. The fact you differentiate between a "jet" and a "prop" in this case show your ignorance of aircraft systems. Both are turbine aircraft, a B1900 uses the turbine to spin a prop on the outside, and B737 or A320 uses it to produce thrust, with everything turning internally.

Most all aircraft have rudder cables. Most all aircraft have engines as well. And tires. And wings. But that does not make all aircraft equal. Nor does eaualized the fact that certain facilities service customers who do not have significant budgets or standards. As such, certain facilities are more likely to hire young mechanics, expect less revenue from the customers, and cut corners to the greatest extent possible.

 

[Busdrvr]

IIRC, WN has done their heavy MX outside for years. Not a crash from them.

OK, so for you to believe those of us who are in a better position to know, you require dead, chared bodies?

 

[insp89]

Before someone mentions TPA, that is no longer owned and/or leased by US. So this cannot be taken into consideration when discussing what property is/is not available.

There is NO reason to mention TPA !! The hangars in CLT. have enough room to do these checks !!! Not to even mention PHL.. I was just in PHL, and laying outside the hangar is a brand new tail dock still in the crates.. This company has the room to do the checks !! Just more LAME excuses by this LAME management.... :down:

 

[ClueByFour]

In any event, VJ was a result of the improper labeling of materials, not something mechanical per se.

Something that the morons at CCY did not even take into account when they contracted with a firm who (badda bing) has been cited and had a 6 figure proposed fine for (*drumrolll*):

"offering chemical oxygen generators for transportation by air that were not marked
or labeled in accordance with the Department of Transportation's hazardous materials regulations"

You can read about it on various sites, but the following link is from the FAA itself: http://www1.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=451.

If they can't label boxes, do you really really want 'em actually working on the aircraft? Another PR blunder from the Fort Fumble crew.....

 

[ITRADE]

OK, so for you to believe those of us who are in a better position to know, you require dead, chared bodies?

Well, since the operative here was "crash", one would assume that the incident involves the likelihood of a write off or other significant damage. However YMMV.

 

[ITRADE]

Something that the morons at CCY did not even take into account when they contracted with a firm who (badda bing) has been cited and had a 6 figure proposed fine for (*drumrolll*):

"offering chemical oxygen generators for transportation by air that were not marked
or labeled in accordance with the Department of Transportation's hazardous materials regulations"

You can read about it on various sites, but the following link is from the FAA itself: http://www1.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=451.

If they can't label boxes, do you really really want 'em actually working on the aircraft? Another PR blunder from the Fort Fumble crew.....

I think most every airline has been cited for some cargo violations or another in the recent few years.

One airline got a proposed fine for transporting a gallon or two of grapefruit oil - which according to DOT/FAA is flammable.

 

[insp89]

Itrade,

A B1900 uses elevator cables that were not reinstalled properly. A B737 also uses elevator cables. The engine is a non-issue. The fact you differentiate between a "jet" and a "prop" in this case show your ignorance of aircraft systems. Both are turbine aircraft, a B1900 uses the turbine to spin a prop on the outside, and B737 or A320 uses it to produce thrust, with everything turning internally.

Most all aircraft have rudder cables. Most all aircraft have engines as well. And tires. And wings. But that does not make all aircraft equal. Nor does eaualized the fact that certain facilities service customers who do not have significant budgets or standards. As such, certain facilities are more likely to hire young mechanics, expect less revenue from the customers, and cut corners to the greatest extent possible.

"and cut corners to the greatest extent possible." How Reassuring... :down: