US Airways Confirms It Has Hired M&A Advisors For Possible AMR Takeover

[ChockJockey]

Depends upon what the Republicrat War Mongering Political Parasite Class in DC decides to do with Iran.

You have it backwards. U.S. Middle East policy decisions depend largely on energy prices and availability; as such what Washington would do in regards to Iran would more than likely be a response to whatever event or condition threatens the continuous flow of (relatively) cheap oil. Since starting a war with Iran would create those very conditions I wouldn't expect the U.S. to resort to military force unless it absolutely has to.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You have it backwards. U.S. Middle East policy decisions depend largely on energy prices and availability; as such what Washington would do in regards to Iran would more than likely be a response to whatever event or condition threatens the continuous flow of (relatively) cheap oil. Since starting a war with Iran would create those very conditions I wouldn't expect the U.S. to resort to military force unless it absolutely has to.

Well the Back Bench Junior Senator from IL posing as President does want to get reelected and nothing like a war to untie a country behind a President. The War Mongering has already started.

 

[ChockJockey]

Well the Back Bench Junior Senator from IL posing as President does want to get reelected and nothing like a war to untie a country behind a President. The War Mongering has already started.

Sabre rattling is a staple of American foreign policy. This, as well as my previous post, stand true regardless of who's in the White House.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Sabre rattling is a staple of American foreign policy. This, as well as my previous post, stand true regardless of who's in the White House.

This the kind of Sabre rattling that you refer to?

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Or perhaps you had something else in mind?

 

[etops1]

This the kind of Sabre rattling that you refer to?

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Or perhaps you had something else in mind?

Really ?? Your gonna turn this thread into this?
Please try to leave your political views out .

 

[SparrowHawk]

Really ?? Your gonna turn this thread into this?
Please try to leave your political views out .

Well it does effect a potential merger if the price of fuel skyrockets due to our non stop foreign interventionist policies. That's a huge game changer. At $150 a BBL what does that do to AA's cash reserve? Does it throw our economy into recession? Do we go to war? Do we have another terrorist event?

Any or all of the above would change the entire game merger wise with the possibility of US and several other carriers joining AA in BK or worse liquidation. So with all due respect I'll voice my concerns as I see fit and the Geo-Political situation could stop a merger dead in its track. Leave my political views out? Not today! Tomorrow isn't looking good either. Maybe next week.

Oh before I forget, When you become a Moderator and only then do you have the right to censor what I post. Have a great US Airways Day. May the Farce be with you 😀

 

[ChockJockey]

This the kind of Sabre rattling that you refer to?

Sure. When the U.S. wields its proverbial "big stick" servicepeople usually end up dying. But in that war (Iraq) it was obvious the administration was intent on initiating military action, which it did, under a mostly false pretense and severely miscalculated expected results. There are always people doing warmongering; for some people their entire livelihoods depend on doing so. Doesn't make war inevitable. Rhetoric is one thing, to actually mobilize for a major military offensive in the Persian Gulf takes months, and we are not seeing this happen.

 

[ChockJockey]

Well it does effect a potential merger if the price of fuel skyrockets due to our non stop foreign interventionist policies.

Until the U.S. both:

1. kicks its oil addiction
2. sufficiently loses interest in protecting Israel

there should be no expectation that American foreign intervention in the Middle East will stop any time soon. As obviously excited as you are to blame all world events on American incompetence, the fact is the price of oil is just as prone to fate, happenstance, and providence as much as anything else. None of us has a crystal ball, and that includes you, even though you're already dead set on placing the blame for a war that hasn't started yet.

So with all due respect I'll voice my concerns as I see fit and the Geo-Political situation could stop a merger dead in its track.

Or it could make a merger the more attractive option.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Sure. When the U.S. wields its proverbial "big stick" servicepeople usually end up dying. But in that war (Iraq) it was obvious the administration was intent on initiating military action, which it did, under a mostly false pretense and severely miscalculated expected results. There are always people doing warmongering; for some people their entire livelihoods depend on doing so. Doesn't make war inevitable. Rhetoric is one thing, to actually mobilize for a major military offensive in the Persian Gulf takes months, and we are not seeing this happen.

Agreed! However a few key phrases in your post. "Not seeing this happen", False Pretense, "Initiating Military force".

For one tiny paragraph you sure did cram a lot in it. 1. There's a great deal we don't "see". 2. The entire Foreign Policy is built upon a false pretense. 3. Preemptive wars smack of Nazi Germany. Check Eisenhower's quite regarding "preemptive wars" & his one on the Military.Industrial Complex, he tried to warn us but our ears were closed and 5 Yrs later under yet another false pretense with trumped up the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and sent over 58,000 mostly men to an early grave so that the Livelihood of those you mentioned would remain intact.

I still feel that US/AA makes sense if all you want is for those at the top to enrich themselves at the expense of customers and employers. If you want to build a growth oriented carrier then I think your strategy becomes a bit different and Republic, NK, B6 come into view on the radar. One of the ways to get rid of LCC's is to acquire them.

 

[AAviator]

Your Prob right AAviator.AA may have better options other than LCC
This is where you should have placed the period. That is the basis of my question.





but right now , I don't see it

Such a shame... It's comic you see LCC as AA's savior.



.I can tell you that DL is not one of them I don't care what WT says. DL will go in there and tear you guys up.


I'm not so sure about that. There may be some divestitures, if it were to come to fruition, but those would be minimal...(divestitures smaller than LCC divested in LGA)


I get it that you don't like US.


Never said that. I do think the possibility of an AA/LCC combination would be the kiss of death for AA. Nothing has changed there.



That's fine but you don't have to be so arrogant about the fact that it could be a reality that AA and US could combine with US running the show .


In your dreams. LCC still isn't running their own show. Name one airline merger since the Wright brothers that has taken as long as the AW-US merger... Parker may be able to come up with enough money to present a bid for the creditors, but the combined entity would collapse under the new found debt load.


I understand our pilot groups have not merged yet and frankly I don't think we will get anywhere with those fools but the shareholders and Wall street could care less because US is making money .


Give them time. Once AA emerges, LCC will have one less high cost competitor to contend with.


Maybe not in the numbers that UA and DL are showing but none the less still profitable which is not what I can say about AA .


Yep. Here's a news flash for you. AA is in bankruptcy. We're getting our house in order. It will take some time, but rest assured, our costs will be much lower when we do. Lower than yours, with higher compensation packages


Your house is in a financial mess right now. Your about to lose 13,000 employees and your pensions.

Read above...

This is no cake walk. and yet, you go around tooting your horn as if AA is this mighty giant that can't be touched by no one.


No, I think LCC would be the kiss of death for AA. How many times would you like me to say that? I've asked a certain pilot to share his thoughts on the much better options out there than an AA LCC combination. He chose to stick his fingers in his ears and run away. Right now we're restructuring and have some control over our destiny. So far, everything presented seems possible, has merit, and is in the best interest to AA and its employees. Even the reality of losing the portion of our pensions not covered by the PBGC maximum. We'll see what we an negotiate from this point forward.


If you think for a minute that Horton won't sell you guys off to US for the right price your crazy.



Horton can't sell us off. We're in bankruptcy. Its up to the creditors. Are you crazy?


To tell you the truth ,I could care less if we merge with AA or not but to shut you up and throw it your face I cannot wait until they announce that US will be aquiring AA if it ever happens.


You've been hanging out with USA320PILOT too much. I've lost track of the number of airline USAirways was going to buy and merge with.. If you'd like to re-visit history, the last airline USAirways bought was Piedmont. Since then you've closed your books twice and had to arrange the financing for someone else to take the reigns.


I understand that not all AA employees are like you . Most of them are hard working individuals who could care less if US steps in or not.


Get a grip. I haven't run across one that thinks like that. You should see our union board light up when someone comments on an AA LCC tie up. I'm a moderate 🙂


Get off your high horse . Your the runt of the litter now.


Yup, with 22+ billion in revenues, and debt loads dropping. If we're the runt, why hasn't DP pounced with his cat like reflexes and started painting out jets white with blue bellies?? Come to think of it, if we're such a basket case, why does LCC want us (you as well) so desperately? You can't seem to wait to merge ... for what? because we're such a basket case? LOL!!!!!!!!



US may be your only chance in keeping AA intact and with it's proud name .




Yea, we're doomed without you. just like UAL was , and DAL was... 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄



You better hope that your management team has a plan in place that the creditors will go for . Because so far , the creditors ain't liking what they are seeing .



Let us worry about that. OK sweetie? After all, its our problem.. Right?? I guarantee you this; We'd like seeing more interest from LCC a whole lot less than we're seeing right now.

And you're calling ME arrogant?

LOL!!!

 

[ChockJockey]

1. There's a great deal we don't "see".

Indeed. But the basic logistics of moving hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment back into the Gulf after a several year draw-down would be pretty obvious.

2. The entire Foreign Policy is built upon a false pretense.

As is everyone's. Welcome to the only game in town.

3. Preemptive wars smack of Nazi Germany.

I really thought you'd have resorted to playing the Nazi card before playing the dead soldier card, but you switched me up. Well played. Nazi Germany's ambitions were conversely territorial conquests or imperial domination, depending on the nation. If the Nazis ever invoked pre-emption, it was rhetorical, and in so far as I know they did not.

Check Eisenhower's quite regarding "preemptive wars" & his one on the Military.Industrial Complex, he tried to warn us but our ears were closed and 5 Yrs later under yet another false pretense with trumped up the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and sent over 58,000 mostly men to an early grave so that the Livelihood of those you mentioned would remain intact.

What does the Vietnam War have to do with oil prices?

I still feel that US/AA makes sense if all you want is for those at the top to enrich themselves at the expense of customers and employers. If you want to build a growth oriented carrier then I think your strategy becomes a bit different and Republic, NK, B6 come into view on the radar. One of the ways to get rid of LCC's is to acquire them.

Cool, thanks copier guy.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Or it could make a merger the more attractive option.

Oh I agree totally. It would likely be a shotgun wedding but you're right and despite our (and others) best efforts sometimes "Stuff" Happens. I'd argue that our actions don't help but the Law of unintended consequences is alive and well no matter what we do or don't do.

 

[AAviator]

All I have to say is who has a newer fleet?

B6

Who is making a profit and who is not?

B6 more than LCC, with a better strategic network and assets than LCC

Who is in chapter 11 protection and who is not?

Not relative to my question. A better question might be, what company is better positioned to be the most competitive going forward?

And who has new envoy class on International and who doesnt?

Your point? If its so awesome, why hasn't STAR granted LCC full membership??

B6 is a totally different airline than AA, no synergies and nothing in common.

Tell that to SW. They just bought AirTran.. They have a different fleet type, Biz class, and a significant hub/spoke hub in ATL. Did you know an A320 can have a F/C cabin installed on an overnight? No synergies? How about a boat load of slots in JFK, a large presence in BOS and Carribean service that is basically all things we've given up over the years? No synergies? wow dude....

AS and AA would not benefit either.

Have you looked at the combined AS, AA route map? Obviously not..

And the DOJ would never allow AA and DL to merge.

I tend to agree with that, but am not convinced.

 

[AAviator]

What airline reported a $904 million net loss for December in the first monthly operating report during its Chapter 11 bankruptcy?

Just 31 days, wow!

Yep, we entered Ch11 with $4.1 B. More than two months in we have $4.2.

At this rate, when do we run out of cash?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Indeed. But the basic logistics of moving hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment back into the Gulf after a several year draw-down would be pretty obvious.

In case you haven't noticed, the U.S. already has (or soon will have) moved more military capability into the Middle East than all but a few countries in the world have in their arsenal. And that doesn't count the U.S. military presence already around the region.

Jim