US Airways ALPA MEC Code-a-phone update (extract)
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You know, why don't you all just shut up and let this thing play out one way or another.
Nothing on this board does anything other than antagonize the other pilot group.
Each side has a case and it will be decided by the EC. Then each side will do what it has to do to reply to that decision.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Nothing on this board does anything other than antagonize the other pilot group.
Each side has a case and it will be decided by the EC. Then each side will do what it has to do to reply to that decision.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Just don't pull his hair, the plugs might fall out!
Better rething your FACTS, better go read the RLA and the NMB representation maunaul.
THERE ARE NO PROCEDURES TO DECERTIFY UNDER THE RLA.
You have been told that many times and still post the same wrong facts.
And ALPA won't pay for a law firm to aide in a union election campaign to remove ALPA.
Dues money cannot be spent to sue or remove your current union.
Do you ever really think before you post?
Bob Loblaw
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USA320Pilot comments: Want to bet your comments above are wrong? By the way, did you notice US Airways ALPA's comment about a pay raise were independently made and not done at a JNC-Company meeting. Hummmm????
Furthermore, "the (East) MEC reconfirmed the corporation owing the original US Airways pilots $70 Million dollars (two $35 million payments) as a contractual stipulation of LOA-93 and also called for an accelerated time frame for the distribution of those funds," which are payments not due the America West pilots. Can you tell me why this action was done outside of JNC talks?
For discussions purposes, if you divide $70 million by approximatley 3,000 US Airways pilots the LOA 93 pay out is over $23,000 per pilot, which is a payment the America West pilots are not eligible for.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Yes, I did notice the pay raise demand was made outside of the JNC. Where else could it have been made? I hope you get it. I really do.
As to the 70 million from your LOA, that is outside the scope of the JNC talks. I hope every east guy gets that money. I really do.
What does any of the above have to do with anything regarding the arbitration award and JNC talks?
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USA320Pilot comments: and take a major step to improve customer service in each area of the DOT consumer report matrix.
Another words it would be "just business."
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It seems the east MEC has been taking management lessons from Tempe on how to run their affairs! They look at the world yet are divorced from reality. They tell their membership/employees one thing but do another. They look at devastating operational reports but conclude they are just passing minor problems of no consequence. They look at merging with another union but can't even run the one they have.
East MEC and Tempe Sand Castle = two peas in a pod.
Furthermore, "the (East) MEC reconfirmed the corporation owing the original US Airways pilots $70 Million dollars (two $35 million payments) as a contractual stipulation of LOA-93 and also called for an accelerated time frame for the distribution of those funds," which are payments not due the America West pilots. Can you tell me why this action was done outside of JNC talks?
For discussions purposes, if you divide $70 million by approximatley 3,000 US Airways pilots the LOA 93 pay out is over $23,000 per pilot, which is a payment the America West pilots are not eligible for.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Yes, I did notice the pay raise demand was made outside of the JNC. Where else could it have been made? I hope you get it. I really do.
As to the 70 million from your LOA, that is outside the scope of the JNC talks. I hope every east guy gets that money. I really do.
What does any of the above have to do with anything regarding the arbitration award and JNC talks?
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USA320Pilot comments: and take a major step to improve customer service in each area of the DOT consumer report matrix.
Another words it would be "just business."
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It seems the east MEC has been taking management lessons from Tempe on how to run their affairs! They look at the world yet are divorced from reality. They tell their membership/employees one thing but do another. They look at devastating operational reports but conclude they are just passing minor problems of no consequence. They look at merging with another union but can't even run the one they have.
East MEC and Tempe Sand Castle = two peas in a pod.
Ardenian
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Read what came accross my computer today:
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 08:00 AM
Subject: WHAT A WEEK.
...The full-court press is on. Prater called the MEC on Thursday and started the “FEAR†campaign, the “Path of Least Resistance†faction (CLT, DCA) of our MEC refused to remove Donn, and Parker calls on Friday to give us a “peanut-butter jar.â€
It also appears that Wilder has now joined the “Save ALPA at All Cost’ team. He recommends negotiating a fix.
To negotiate a fix initially requires accepting the award. To accept the award means you accept and validate the fact that seniority can be vacated.
What effect will this precedent have on pilot for generations to come?
Stop thinking of yourself. Start thinking of the next generation. Unfortunately, our generation has a difficult time doing so. One look at LGA’s Captain [removed by moderator] should explain the unfortunate level to which this current batch of pilots has allowed themselves to sink...
What say you about this?
This is one serious precedent we are setting. Management has all kinds of plans for us weak union members who will throw everyone, including our own children, under the oncoming train.
ALPA lifers - 10
The next generation of pilots - 0
CynicalResAgent
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here's anoter spin on a previous suggestion. why doesn't each side pick 5 of their best pilots and go to one of those simulated dogfighting outfits. Whichever side wins gets their preferred seniority integration.
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FYI, Roland Wilder (of Babtiste & Wilder) was the ALPA-provided merger attorney advising the TWA pilots in 2001-2. I don't know why but apparently he wasn't paid in-full and sued the former TWA MEC, specificially targeting our Merger Fund (which is being held hostage to this day by ALPA National). This litigation is ongoing. Enjoy.
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Because if the East loses, then they will demand to start over, best 2 out of 3, or a best of 7 ... 😀
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Good thought.although I still like the additional requirement for having the losers resign on the spot
Sigh...if only our current society actually had any honor, versus an overabundance of lawyers/politicians/opportunists, and standard-issue swine.lynyrdskynyrd
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It sounds like the AAA MEC is continuing to promise it's members more things that it can't deliver. To date, this includes:
1) Positive space travel for union officials.
2) Date-of-hire / longevity based seniority integration
3) Overturning / renegotiation of a final and binding seniority list
4) Extortion of a "fences" agreement from the West
and the latest addition...
5) Pay parity with the West outside of the JNC process
Maybe this will be failed promise #6.
I wonder if they're going to employ the same strategy with the contract that they did with the seniority list.
Did you accuse the West of violating the EC resolution?
"WHEREAS the Executive Council is also acutely aware of the negative consequences that may result if the MECs fail to come together to explore consensual approaches that promote career protection and mutual success, and achieve an acceptable single collective bargaining agreement that improves pay, benefits, work rules and job security for both pilot groups, "
See above. I think our MEC refused to participate in a June negotiating session that involved the Merger Committees, but never refused to participate in joint negotiations.
Can you use union dues for that? Or is your MEC going to use their merger/slush fund? But hey, how can we expect your MEC to understand ALPA Fiscal Policy when they're obviously having difficulty in understanding ALPA Merger Policy.
I'm sure any ambulance-chasing law firm would jump all over your case. It's an opportunity to rake in millions for what in the end will be an exercise in futility.
USA320Pilot,
Despite my West roots, I am trying to remain objective about this "problem". Heck, if I had 20 years at an airline and was still at the bottom of the active list, I'd probably have some heartburn too. But to direct that at the West pilots is irresponsible.
It's the failure of management that caused this situation, not a merger, and management is who should pay for the career stagnation. Perhaps if the AAA MEC had a bit more integrity and had explained to their pilots in advance that ALPA Merger Policy does NOT contain "longevity" as a tenet, the shock of the award would have been much less severe. Why do you think the AAA EVP resigned from the company a few months after the merger was announced? He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he saw the writing on the wall with the seniority list.
Despite all of the rhetoric flying around, I don't think "consensual approaches" is out of the question in the near future. I'll tell you this though, the East MEC's actions over the past few weeks have caused irreversible damage to the relationship with the West MEC. It's going to take some major changes in peopole and attitudes our East before a "consensual approach" is even a possbility.
Best wishes.
CynicalResAgent
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You have to admit it would be cool to see.
A320pilot banks trying to get AWA320 in his crossairs and then Boeing boy comes out of the sun and take them both out. 😀
A320pilot banks trying to get AWA320 in his crossairs and then Boeing boy comes out of the sun and take them both out. 😀
AWA320
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CynicalResAgent
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it's better than that guys ultimate fighter suggestion. 😛
AWA320
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Oh brother not ultimate fighting, I can't stand it. The young buck against the jerrasic jet jock
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