Ok heres my two cents. Yes DFW is the Biggest hub in the system, but that does not give it some magical free pass from the "right sizing" of hubs in the proposed AA system. Like ALL of the hubs in the system there are surely some places that US's hubs could serve better than DFW can east west, whether you want to face it or not. While CLT may lose some flights. they don't fly to that many western destinations to start with. So I think it will all equal out minus maybe some Latin, and CLT will keep its INTL resume which is already relatively small as is. Don't think that DFW does not see at least some Reduction. Just being DFW does not give it an automatic free pass from right sizing.
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BuffaloJoe
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CLT will be gone before PHL. CLT is what 1/4th the size of PHL. PHL can handle more traffic if they loosen up on the E-jets.
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It seems to me that CLT is in a good place, its in the middle of the northeast and the southeast US, these are 2 of the largest population areas in the country. Also CLT has a lot of banking HQs right? I would think CLT would not even be considered for cuts. Just a FA so what do I know? LOL
You may be right, but DFW is to AA as ATL is to DL, and speaking of ATL, how much smaller is DL's operation at ATL since the merger with NW? MEM and CVG continue to shrink, but I don't think that ATL has shrunk much.
At DFW, AA has 500 peak day mainline departures. That would be on MD-80s or larger. At PHL, US has 145 mainline departures and at CLT, US has 255 mainline departures, for a total of 400 between the two of them. Add in the 174 daily mainline departures that US flies from PHX, and the three hubs combined have several dozen more mainline departures than AA has at DFW. Does that guarantee that DFW will be immune from "right-sizing?" Nope, but let's face it - US and its hubs are the low-revenue component to the new airline, much like HP was the low-revenue component when US and HP were merged. DFW has double daily flights to London, Tokyo, Sao Paulo, etc. If there are flights that would be better flown from CLT or PHL, then flights will move. AA really needed a Southeast hub, and US really needed a mid-continent hub. Which ones will grow and which will shrink? Nobody but Parker knows.
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DFW, MIA, ORD, PHL and LAX. JFK for O&D, PHX for spring flings.
Yes, but CLT is much alike DFW and ATL than MEM and CVG. CLT is the "DFW" in the US system.
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Phl can handle more trafftic?!?!? Best joke I've heard all day!
Chuckle.
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When you are going to have a 1000 Airplanes flying around you have to move them somewhere. I don't see very drastic changes anytime soon after the Merger. It will take years !!! Charlotte has a Big Bank Fortune 500 Company base so i don't think the Internationals will disappear any time soon either.
Let me take a stab at it.
PHX...Latin & Europe flights will flow over DFW/MIA/ORD. Many of the smaller Mountain cities could be well served over DFW/LAX/ORD versus funneling into PHX. Slowly but surely...PHX will become a focus city.
CLT...flow all Latin traffic over the MIA fortress hub. CLT will gain some of smaller cities that Eagle flies to in the East. Maybe have Europe flights to Oneworld hubs, LHR/MAD...but flow the rest of PHL and JFK. CLT will remain a hub...but will always be a secondary hub to AA's.
PHL...given that JFK is so constrained...maybe PHL will get to see an increase, it will be interesting to watch. If JetBlue comes into the AA fold one day...maybe PHL would take a hit.
Thing is...I can see Parker having pride in the previous US hubs and he'll want to try to make them appear extremely important...but, in reality, in the next downturn, the economics will actually creep into the decision making and the US hubs will take a hit.
And no...I don't think "AA is all that"...it's just i know how AA operates. STL/BNA/RDU/SJC. During the downturns...these secondary hubs were laid to waste.
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airwar, i see your points however i do think phx would become a focus city faster rather than slower just my take on it given amr has lax n dfw cemented if you will
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airwar i believe dca would be fine and i think they would try to max all they can given its got a 1250 (i think limit as far may be diff weekends or holidays) dca is focus city already
Assuming this is accurate:
http://en.wikipedia....ational_Airport
Here's the count for airlines flying beyond the perimeter rule:
Airlines Destinations
Alaska Airlines 8 slots operating as 2x Seattle, 1x Los Angeles, 1x Portland, OR
American Airlines 2 slots operating as 1x Los Angeles
Delta Air Lines 4 slots operating as 2x Salt Lake City
Frontier Airlines 6 slots operating as 3x Denver
JetBlue Airways 2 slots operating as 1x San Juan
Southwest Airlines 2 slots operating as 1x Austin
United Airlines 4 slots operating as 1x Denver, 1x San Francisco
US Airways 10 slots operating as 3x Phoenix, 1x Las Vegas, 1x San Diego
Virgin America 2 slots operating as 1x San Francisco
http://en.wikipedia....ational_Airport
Here's the count for airlines flying beyond the perimeter rule:
Airlines Destinations
Alaska Airlines 8 slots operating as 2x Seattle, 1x Los Angeles, 1x Portland, OR
American Airlines 2 slots operating as 1x Los Angeles
Delta Air Lines 4 slots operating as 2x Salt Lake City
Frontier Airlines 6 slots operating as 3x Denver
JetBlue Airways 2 slots operating as 1x San Juan
Southwest Airlines 2 slots operating as 1x Austin
United Airlines 4 slots operating as 1x Denver, 1x San Francisco
US Airways 10 slots operating as 3x Phoenix, 1x Las Vegas, 1x San Diego
Virgin America 2 slots operating as 1x San Francisco
robbedagain
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i do believe that is accurate though i do know the san flight is weekends only im not sure about las. phx is daily as for AS i knew they had at least 1 sea flight i did not know they have portland and lax. im not sure if aa does dca-lax or not ual its possible given that they fly to their hubs in sfo n den dont know about va as for sju i would think that its below the 1250 mile limit has swa started the austin flight yet or have they started the dca ops that fl had? dl may still have the slc flights and i dont know if frontier still flies to dca
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