Update on Flight 718/June 16, 2011 (PHL‐FCO)

[Pi brat]

She only answered the softball questions USAPA wanted brought up.

Umm, I'm no Perry Mason, but I believe the company had the chance to cross examine her, didn't they? Where were the hard hitting questions that could have proved that she was faking the whole thing, thus bolstering their case of a wide-spread illegal job action? Also, what in the world were you talking about the cost of getting her job back? You know she is still working, unlike those rats that didn't finish their homework, right?

You logic is, well like swiss cheese.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

There has been much written and said about this incident by parties outside of the maintenance organization. Many members of the company have requested more facts about this incident particularly regarding maintenance’s role. The purpose of this memo is to explain why the aircraft did what it did, to communicate that the aircraft worked as designed,and to reiterate that our maintenance team handled the situation extremely well and ensured safety of flight.

Since you enjoy such a credibility gap, why not post the logs?

 

[Claxon]

Umm, I'm no Perry Mason, but I believe the company had the chance to cross examine her, didn't they? Where were the hard hitting questions that could have proved that she was faking the whole thing, thus bolstering their case of a wide-spread illegal job action? Also, what in the world were you talking about the cost of getting her job back? You know she is still working, unlike those rats that didn't finish their homework, right?

You logic is, well like swiss cheese.

Yes, your CEO can spend a day in jail, no problem. Yet 2 pilots are fired for not completing computer training. Two out of thousands. They get fired. Statistically, how many forget each cycle? Yet Franke Air overreacts, thanks to Glass. This will be a big win for the pilots in the end. Hopefully all employees will see the desperation of Franke Air which reacts like an iron curtain regime. Franke Air mgt will soon be removed. Herb Kelleher and Gary Kelly smirk at this insignificant airline at PHX. They know they will win it just like BWI. The employees suffer at this airline unnecessarily. I pity them.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Way to many strange facts.

First, you must establish that they are, indeed, facts.

If they were "facts" it would only seem strange to someone with little experience. Like you.

 

[mrbreeze]

Since you enjoy such a credibility gap, why not post the logs?

Credibility gap? From the first day I read this post I thought it was BS. I can tell you many stories about how other work groups have screwed up, just to protect my pals, but have no desire to smear them publicly.

Unless this guy comes clean, this is a crock of BS.

breeze

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Why do some of the east posters here claim to be in the "517" and yet are staunch supporters of USAPA and DOH?

Jim

Talk about someone out of touch.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey lover boy, or any of you would be lynch mob members, I have a question or two. Have you read all the available info. on this incident? If so what do you make of this:

From the letter that started this thread, supposedly from maint.:

In this event, an A330 was on APU power getting ready for push back from the gate. Very soon after push back started, the electrical power from the APU to the aircraft was disconnected reverting the aircraft to battery power only. (Note: published reports have stated the APU auto shutdown and could not be restarted by the crew. An examination of the Electronic Control Box (ECB) fault log file retrieved from the ECB by the repair vendor has confirmed that there was neither an auto shutdown of the APU or any failed attempts to restart the APU.) Within 5 minutes of the APU being hutdown, the aircraft went dark. The jet bridge was re‐attached to the aircraft and ground power was re‐connected to the aircraft.

From the FAA letter posted by the company:


The FAA manager assigned to the US Airways certificate reviewed the June 16, 2011 incident. The APU shutdown the aircraft experienced is a failure that pilots are well aware can happen and that they are trained to recognize. The battery apparently was depleted by attempts to restart the APU.

FRom Captain Wells sworn testimony in Federal Court:

At pushback when we had briefed the crew and the cabin
was ready, we were about ready to put call for pushback
clearance when the APU auto failed.

Two out of three sources say the APU failed. The FAA, and the only one that we have heard from, the Captain. Now, the letter that started this thread says it didn't happen. Why do they say it? Because the box didn't record it. Has anyone that has flown an Airbus had a discrepancy that later did not show up anywhere? I have and one of them was one of the really be spinny things! They didn't fight me on that one, it went to the hangar. Now, one thing did occur to me. The maint. letter said there were no AUTO SHUTDOWNS. What if there simply was a failure, not a protective auto shutdown of the APU. Could we have a problem with semantics here?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Talk about someone out of touch.

Talk about ignoring context in a feeble attempt to make a point...

Jim

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Talk about ignoring context in a feeble attempt to make a point...

Jim

I think it was you who missed the point.

The PHL international secretary called me the day after the toxic Nicholau decision was posted and asked about twelve international captains, (all in the 517, many who came in on their own (not on duty)) who were confronting each FO entering the crew room and asking what the FOs wanted the captains to do.

I think most would still be willing to shutter the operation, according to her, they were willing to finally call the company on their really pathetic and unsafe "maintenance procedures". It is they who think anything other than DOH is a travesty. It was they who were the impetus behind USAPA. They may not support individuals but it is they who seem to overwhelmingly support NOT-ALPA. I would not expect you to understand. Therefore, your feeble attempt.

 

[luvn737s]

The maint. letter said there were no AUTO SHUTDOWNS. What if there simply was a failure, not a protective auto shutdown of the APU. Could we have a problem with semantics here?

I don't know why anyone bothers to respond to you with your childish insults.

The fact is that the APU started when maintenance tried to start it. Capt Wells chose to shut down the only available source of conditioned air for the passengers and put their health in danger.

If I were the maintenance personnel assigned to this aircraft, I might have responded as angrily as she depicted those who were tasked with putting a working APU on MEL.

We are not privy to 99.99% of the back-room deals that USAPA cuts with the company, but I would not be surprised to see the NAC be told to accept concessionary proposals from the company as payment for returning her to flying status.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I don't know why anyone bothers to respond to you with your childish insults.

The fact is that the APU started when maintenance tried to start it. Capt Wells chose to shut down the only available source of conditioned air for the passengers and put their health in danger.

If I were the maintenance personnel assigned to this aircraft, I might have responded as angrily as she depicted those who were tasked with putting a working APU on MEL.

We are not privy to 99.99% of the back-room deals that USAPA cuts with the company, but I would not be surprised to see the NAC be told to accept concessionary proposals from the company as payment for returning her to flying status.

You are kinda mentally deficient, aren't you?

USAPA is "cutting no deals with the company". While your projection is telling, most on the east, Boeing Boy exempted (I cannot speak for him), hold to their principles and are not scabs. Try to keep up.

 

[luvn737s]

While your projection is telling, most on the east, Boeing Boy exempted (I cannot speak for him), hold to their principles and are not scabs.

The evidence contradicts you, son.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I think it was you who missed the point.

No, it was Pi who had mockingly asked why someone in the "517", who had their DOH regardless of which list is used, would support DOH with a claimed slowdown. I was merely replying that several east posters who claim to be in the "517" had expressed their support for DOH. That is the context you choose to ignore.

Jim

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

The evidence contradicts you, son.

Please, to be evidence, it must be available to all. Pray, tell. All. Good luck, lucifer.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

That is the context you choose to ignore.

Jim,

Your "points" are unaimed projectiles due, perhaps, to uneducated pontifications, something we all have been guilty of. Rather than accuse me of ignoring something, a process that demands fore-knowledge, you could have made your post truly knowledgeable, rather than some pathetic half-arsed pontification, much like the west posters here.