Update on Flight 718/June 16, 2011 (PHL‐FCO)

The answer is in the transcript you claim to have read...

Jim

We can always count on our west leading Ahole to jump in and “not take a side”, Do you mean this Jim ?


MR. SIEGEL: We won't do Cross, Your Honor. We had no advanced declaration. We'll reserve for rebuttal.

I’ve said I don’t know much about court proceedings. I have never been in one. I would have thought that the plaintiffs would have had a witness list in time and if not, weren’t Hogg and Morrell there? Seems they could have come up with something.

Here’s a little more about it:

MR. GRESHAM: We're a little puzzled, seeking
11 guidance about this notion, we thought all of the witnesses
12 would be subject to Direct and Cross. We had let the company
13 know ahead of time that we, you know, we did our witness list
14 and all and this. We're not quite sure what this notion
15 means that.
16 THE COURT: Well, I mean, my guess is that lawyers
17 have strategy and there's some strategy by the plaintiff. I
18 don't know I have to inquire, and they have to disclose.
19 They're trying this case the way they want to try, they're
20 not crossing your witnesses.
21 MR. GRESHAM: But I took the view that they weren't
22 crossing them, that they were saving for rebuttal. These
23 folks are flying. We didn't understand that that meant they
24 were going to have to stay on that -- in other words, they're
25 now released as far as witnesses because the opportunityto
222
1 cross-examine is here. So I just want to make sure --
2 THE COURT: I don't know what the plaintiff's
3 rebuttal case is. They have the burden in this case. I will
4 let them put on a rebuttal case when that time comes and I
5 guess they will.
6 MR. GRESHAM: I guess I'm trying to understand if
7 they thought they were reserving some examination of those
8 two witnesses in their rebuttal case. Now, obviously I guess
9 they could call them back. But I thought this was the
10 opportunity for them to cross-examine.
11 THE COURT: Yeah. I think they waived their right
12 to cross-examine the witness.
13 MR. GRESHAM: Thank you.
14 THE COURT: But I'm not going to inquire.
15 MR. GRESHAM: That was the only thing that I was
16 puzzled by. I understood they had a chance to put on
17 rebuttal, so that's fine.

Then this:

THE COURT: Any Rebuttal evidence?
2 MR. SIEGEL: No further evidence.

And this:

THE COURT: You can make that point for the record,
22 but in my perspective I think both sides have had a
23 sufficient amount of time to make their case to me.


So Jim, where did I miss the real reason for no cross. You’re not buying the benevolent company line, are you?
 
I am speechless at how dumb Wells is- and apparently a liar to boot. She says the APU did an auto shutdown but the computers say otherwise. She performs her own made-up battery test and instead of demonstrating weak batteries showed her complete lack of systems knowledge. Then another couple of east pilots show up to demonstrate their lack of systems knowledge!

Wells needs to be fired, she is a safety liability for us all.

Wow. I thought your absence from this discussion indicated you that you had grown a little, or a least didn't like Luvn's "Pamprin" comment but stayed out of it. Silly me, that's what I get for giving you any credit.

Have you read all the available information before you joined the "hang her high" brigade? I'm guessing not.

No, Captain Wells does not need to be fired. You and all the ignorant westies that have tried and convicted her need to be.
 
I see you are a movie man- I never saw that one, sorry. Who needs reading boring manuals? I look forward to being an east pilot!

Never saw it? Too young. Before your time.

Did you bring your duck? Don't chicken out, your mob might turn on you.
 
What's the matter Pi, having a bad Labor Day?

No, pretty good one as I'm not laboring, except for dealing with the slow crowd from the west, and Jim. How about you sweetness, have a good one? That's about the hardest question you can handle.
 
Wow. I thought your absence from this discussion indicated you that you had grown a little, or a least didn't like Luvn's "Pamprin" comment but stayed out of it. Silly me, that's what I get for giving you any credit.

Have you read all the available information before you joined the "hang her high" brigade? I'm guessing not.

No, Captain Wells does not need to be fired. You and all the ignorant westies that have tried and convicted her need to be. Idiots, everyone of you.

Flightinfo was overrun by the West long ago. That board and PHX crew news wasn't enough for them. Now its PHX crew news everyday on Airlineforums.
 
No, pretty good one as I'm not laboring, except for dealing with the slow crowd from the west, and Jim. How about you sweetness, have a good one? That's about the hardest question you can handle.
Oooh, kind of cheeky today aren't you? Behave.

And day is going well thanks. Watching you guys slowly implode and knowing much is going to happen to you guys in the next few weeks is making me giddy.
 
Flightinfo was overrun by the West long ago. That board and PHX crew news wasn't enough for them. Now its PHX crew news everyday on Airlineforums.
That's only because it took so long for the east to figure out how to use a computer. Heck, they just figured out why they can't change the channels on the microwave!
 
Just like they showed mercy to the West pilots who were overpaid for their distance learning, and got to keep the money. :rolleyes:

You guys are frothing at the mouth and don't even realize what the company has done by letting you be the pack of dogs. ;)

So, Phoenix, explain why holding Wells accountable for her actions is a witch-hunt and USAPA's immediate prosecution of select west pilots under Sec 19 for non-payment of dues (when the rules regarding membership application approval did not have a provision for no base reps to provide such approval) isn't.

Explain why those who feel Capt. Wells owes all of us an apology for how she embarrassed us by association are a mob, but those who actually helped financially destroy those pilots who had to defend themselves against baseless allegations in a RICO suit, were not a mob.

You are the face of USAPA, whether you are willing to admit it and take responsibility for their misdeeds or not.
 
So, Phoenix, explain why holding Wells accountable for her actions is a witch-hunt and USAPA's immediate prosecution of select west pilots under Sec 19 for non-payment of dues (when the rules regarding membership application approval did not have a provision for no base reps to provide such approval) isn't.

Explain why those who feel Capt. Wells owes all of us an apology for how she embarrassed us by association are a mob, but those who actually helped financially destroy those pilots who had to defend themselves against baseless allegations in a RICO suit, were not a mob.

You are the face of USAPA, whether you are willing to admit it and take responsibility for their misdeeds or not.


Your right. She weighs the same as a duck. Ergo, she is made of wood and thus a Witch. What would we do without your mob. Take appropriate action post haste. Don't chicken out on us. What you must do, do quickly.
 
Was that an answer? I'm curious as to how you reconcile those two.
 
So Jim, where did I miss the real reason for no cross. You’re not buying the benevolent company line from the westicles, are you?
How you can cut and paste it without seeing it is hard to understand, even for you....

MR. SIEGEL: We won't do Cross, Your Honor. We had no advanced declaration. We'll reserve for rebuttal.

Jim
 
How you can cut and paste it without seeing it is hard to understand, even for you....



Jim

It's amazing that you would throw a jab like that since you obviously didn't read what I posted. I'm having trouble with my version of the board, it's stuck in mobile mode, or I would highlight it for you. See line 12 of the post you quoted. Also, Captain Wells testified on Friday. The company had time for rebuttal on Monday. Nothing, nada, which the judge seemed to be expecting. Go figure, since she was obviously out to lunch right? Could have proved their case right there, right? You think they couldn't round anyone up over the weekend?

When are we going to get together? I'm free today, how about you?
 
So you're changing your argument now? What happened to that mountain that you've tried to construct from the molehill of not cross examining her? A few words from the transcript seems to have let the air out of that mountain... :lol:

Jim
 

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