United States economy doomed …

[freedom]

Dear doom journal


wow .... yesterday 60 k job cuts annouced , today another 11k .... more to follow in the next two weeks ..

i thought half a million jobs lost in one month was bad .... could we see a million jobs lost this month ?50k ?



it's begun .

 

[delldude]

If it is reprehensible for Wall Street and Corporate Exec's to get bonuses in the millions...wouldn't it be a sin under the Messiah to reap millions on Super Bowl ads?

Like......isn't this gouging in our dreaded time of peril?

Maybe they need the cash to pay NBC execs their bonus?

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[Gilding the Lily]

If it is reprehensible for Wall Street and Corporate Exec's to get bonuses in the millions...wouldn't it be a sin under the Messiah to reap millions on Super Bowl ads?

When did NBC take our tax dollars from the TARP program? Isn't that that difference here?

And on that note, it would have been much smarter to place restrictions on such bonuses prior to giving the TARP dollars, rather than changing the rules mid-game. I guess our legislative branch couldn't foresee that I-Banks would give massive end-of-year payouts like they do every year. What a suprise.

 

[freedom]

Dear doom journal


The jobs report for January came out today , roughly 600 K jobs lost …..the unemployment rate has now jumped to 7.4 % . We are absolutely going to surpass 9% unemployment by the end of this year … this crisis has become so bad that I personally know people who are losing their jobs . :unsure:

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Dear doom journal


The jobs report for January came out today , roughly 600 K jobs lost …..the unemployment rate has now jumped to 7.4 % . We are absolutely going to surpass 9% unemployment by the end of this year … this crisis has become so bad that I personally know people who are losing their jobs . :unsure:

Yes, Freedom. It becomes much more personal when the situation is no longer simply black type on a newspaper, but is an environment that is changing the lives of your friends and/or family.

 

[delldude]

And with this change...what?

Are you on board with the Messiah , seeking a personal bailout or some type of personal redemption for inducting him on the basis of change?

And are you ready to accept this change he has so touted for the last two years?

Do you realize this change is going radically left into the socialist state that many in the US who voted for him will regret?

Why are you on the left so silent.....the new game in town is grabbing much more power and stealing freedom than you could ever imagine under the dreaded 'Bush'.......

Why do you think they want this package ramrodded through with out debate....?

Because its in the details....and you'll regret them forever.

Why do you think they want to silence talk radio?

Because it interferes with their agenda......

This country was founded on freedom of speech and debate.....

Silence freedom of speech via the airwaves lets them pass their agenda uncontested.

CAVEAT EMPTOR

 

[freedom]

And with this change...what?

Are you on board with the Messiah , seeking a personal bailout or some type of personal redemption for inducting him on the basis of change?

And are you ready to accept this change he has so touted for the last two years?

Do you realize this change is going radically left into the socialist state that many in the US who voted for him will regret?

Why are you on the left so silent.....the new game in town is grabbing much more power and stealing freedom than you could ever imagine under the dreaded 'Bush'.......

Why do you think they want this package ramrodded through with out debate....?

Because its in the details....and you'll regret them forever.

Why do you think they want to silence talk radio?

Because it interferes with their agenda......

This country was founded on freedom of speech and debate.....

Silence freedom of speech via the airwaves lets them pass their agenda uncontested.

CAVEAT EMPTOR

Notice the headline of this thread

US ECONOMY DOOMED ….


You do realize that we don’t have much of a choice BUT to go left economically ?

You spout all this no bailout no going left no socialism B/S but I don’t hear you on here saying that we should do away with social security , or medicate or Medicare etc , because that’s the OPPOSITE of the left you talk about … that’s the RIGHT … now if you don’t want to go LEFT , then you must want to go RIGHT and that means balancing the budget …. Shrinking the military , getting rid of food stamps , unemployment ETC ….

But , if we get rid of social security millions of elderly people will be FUBAR , if we slash the military , our nation will be open to ATTACK …. If we get rid of food stamps and unemployment then people will starve and turn to crime …

You blame the president for taking actions that most rational people would have no CHOICE but to take in order to preserve our nation ..


FREEDOM can’t exist without ORDER otherwise you have anarchy …. I hear people say we should do nothing , but doing nothing will mean good bye us economy ….is that what you want ? You don’t like socialism but would rather have communism ? Heck myself I’d be HAPPY if I thought we could transition to socialism at this point , it would be less painful for all involved …

 

[777 fixer]

this crisis has become so bad that I personally know people who are losing their jobs . :unsure:

Are you kidding me? Anyone who has worked in the airline business long enough knows people who lost their jobs in 2001. You're trying to make it sound like its something new.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Are you kidding me? Anyone who has worked in the airline business long enough knows people who lost their jobs in 2001. You're trying to make it sound like its something new.

Yea!
I see his face in the mirror a couple times a day!

B) xUT

 

[delldude]

Comrade Freedoom:

You do realize that we don’t have much of a choice BUT to go left economically ?

Why not let those who made money on bad investments pay the price through bankruptcy like the law allows? Screw Detroit and the UAW.Screw Citibank....Screw 'em all.All this federal meddling is going to induce hyperinflation,prolong the problem and cause even more stagnation.Its going to go global big time later this year.
Obama meddles.....Wall Street drops.....I see you bought off on Obama blaming the markets for Geithners 'no plan'....the Street has no faith and neither should you.
Sure it will hurt but the sun will come up the next day.

But , if we get rid of social security millions of elderly people will be FUBAR , if we slash the military , our nation will be open to ATTACK …. If we get rid of food stamps and unemployment then people will starve and turn to crime …

You don't have to get rid of SSI...all you have to do is restrict medical care to the elderly,let them die off and wa-la...you just reduced your debt obligations.
Maybe cutting the food stamps and unemployment,people will get off their butt and find any job that provides cash and learn to get by on their own.Life isn't always fair you know.Some things are worth struggle like a roof and food.Tell me when was the last time you or any others in the past has actually struggled to survive?
10% percent cut in military spending and reducing existing programs on missile defense...reducing our nuclear arsenal...this doesn't qualify here and now for opening us to attack?

You spout all this no bailout no going left no socialism B/S but I don’t hear you on here saying that we should do away with social security , or medicate or Medicare etc

How about making the SSI fund monies go into that account only and quit taking those deductions and using them to run the country?
Those monies should be solvent if you are going to have those welfare type give away programs.If you want some type of healthcare programs for all to have...try reducing costs that drive high premiums.I don't think you and I want Obama and his administration looking up our most private orifices. No way Jose.
Why do you think they want medical records under federal control?
This stimulus bill was ramrodded through because of things of this nature...they didn't want debate because it would have exposed the agenda.

Wake up Freedoom....we're going to hell under this administration and it ain't going to be in no hand basket.

 

[freedom]

{so on and so forth }


You don't have to get rid of SSI...all you have to do is restrict medical care to the elderly,let them die off and wa-la...you just reduced your debt obligations.
Maybe cutting the food stamps and unemployment,people will get off their butt and find any job that provides cash and learn to get by on their own.Life isn't always fair you know.Some things are worth struggle like a roof and food.Tell me when was the last time you or any others in the past has actually struggled to survive?
10% percent cut in military spending and reducing existing programs on missile defense...reducing our nuclear arsenal...this doesn't qualify here and now for opening us to attack?


{so on and so forth }

Wake up Freedoom....we're going to hell under this administration and it ain't going to be in no hand basket.

get off their butts and find any job ? when there are no jobs ? haha that's liike telling a starving person to go find food in a famine ..

no sorry none of what your suggesting is pragmatic ... we have to keep society fuctioning , by that i mean lights and water on and people feed ... we may have to go to extreams to ensure that continues to happen ...

as to your first point about letting everyone just EAT IT ... on one level i can feel you there ... but again pragmatically speaking , if we let all the banks and everyone else eat it , poof there is no more economy ...

either way our economy is doomed , but the more time we can buy the more of a chance we may have of switching to a new type of system/society ...

 

[freedom]

Dear doom journal

unemployment for febuary 8.3 percent ...

united states GDP fell ny 6.2 percent in the 4Q of 2008 .....

stock market enters 6,000 range


and people said unemployment wouldn't go above 9 %

 

[freedom]

Dear doom journal ...

revised GDP for 2008 4Q were released this week it was actualy negative 6.3 %

unemployment now stands at 8.6% ....

the stock market rallied for the last two weeks ... i think i will call it the crack baby rally because it was based off of nothing but hope ... no fundementals at ALL ...

The situation is bleak ,and is growing bleaker , my other efforts out side of this web board to inform the population are not meeting with as much success as i would like ... not by far , but i will keep trying ..

i expect unemployment to rise to 9% once march numbers are calulated ...

the goverment has propsed a toxic buy up plan costing anywhere from one trillion dollars to 500 billion ...

our T notes are not selling anymore , we are now printing funny money and will see inflation rise sooner or later .

 

[freedom]

Dear doom journal

Today the market decided that it couldn't take it any more , the losses that is , and decided to throw in the towel, curl up into a little ball and say to it's self " there is no depression , there is no depression "


http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/02/news/fair....sion=2009040212


Yes they are supsending the imporant parts of MARK TO MARKET ....

for those of you who don''t understand what that is , think of it like this ..... ... there are 10 houses on a street , 9 of them are selling at 50 thousand , you decide to sell your house for 200 thousand , but all the houses are the same ....

Does something seem , oh i don't know WRONG with that kind of valuation ? well there is , and now banks will be able to chose what THEY think a property that they own is worth , not what the current going selling rate in the market is ....ohhhh yeah , i can just see the lopsided effect on home prices ...

Changing the rules of mark to market is a sign of utter desperation , this is how you KNOW things are bad ... now most people will proably get sucked in by this and go "yay , good rule change " but those are the same people who proably ddi bussiness with ENRON !!!!

This is great , now we won't just have zombie banks , we will have like subermiane zombie banks , because now that the banks are valuing their own worth , we won't know just how bad it is until everything surfaces at once and we get broad sided with the toxic assets .. :down:

and the world contiunes to burn!!!!

 

[freedom]

Dear doom journal


After heavy drinking and smoking today i and my econmic co theorist have come to the rock solid conclusion that the US goverment is either directly controling the media or at the very least infuencing the media to report what it want's it to report ..

For me this is all a bit shocking , in my lifetime i have never seen or thought that the US goverment could be affecting media reporting , i mean sure there are little things here and there like during the intital invasion of iraq , but we're talking influence on a much more profound level like proganda like during vietnam or WWII ....

i can understand why the goverment is doing what it's doing, but i'm just like WOW !!!!!!! i mean , WOW .....