Ual And Usair

[goingboeing]

I'm sorry that UAL and USAir are in serious trouble.If they manage to hang on and operate it will DESTROY the current wage and benefit structure of unionized airline employees.They will DRIVE DOWN wage and benefits for all airline employees.

The best thing for AA and Delta is for UAL and USAir to go bye-bye.
This would strengthen the whole airline business and buy AA some more time.
If the AMR management does not change its course of direction AA will eventually wind up in chapter 11.

AA is not immune from the same problems of UAL and USAir which could mean bye-bye at some future time.
AA management better get their act together.

 

[Just Plane Crazy]

I'm sorry that UAL and USAir are in serious trouble.If they manage to hang on and operate it will DESTROY the current wage and benefit structure of unionized airline employees.They will DRIVE DOWN wage and benefits for all airline employees.

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I remember some month ago on some other thread it was the LCC carriers that drove down the wages etc. Now it is UA and US.

The industry is changing and so are the wages and benefits. Regardless of UA, US or the LCC’s, change is inevitable.

You are correct, AA as well as DL and maybe NW as well as CO are not immune from BK. Every management will go that way if they do not see any other way to control cost and debt. We are just at the beginning of a new era in the aviation industry.

 

[mjk]

The best thing for AA and Delta is for UAL and USAir to go bye-bye.

[post="171802"][/post]​

Agreed. There are too many jets out there burning very expensive jet fuel to chase around $99 transcon and $79 NY-Florida paying pax.

The herd must be thinned.

AA management better get their act together.

[post="171802"][/post]​

Instead of the generic bash management approach, what do YOU think management should do that they aren't doing now that will either 1. reduce costs, 2. increase revenue, or 3. cause the permanent failure of UAL and/or USAir?

<stepping up on the soapbox>
If oil was somewhere under $40/barrel, we would have turned a decent profit last quarter. Many of you in here would then be whining and crying, demanding your paycut back, and trolling the parking garage at HDQ wondering where upper management is parking the new Mercedes' that Arpey allegedly bought for them. Instead you're complaing that "If the AMR management does not change its course of direction AA will eventually wind up in chapter 11."

It just seems to me that alot of people on this board (not necessarily you goingboeing) will complain and bash management no matter what the financial performance of AMR is at the time.

Perhaps some just use this board to vent. (Like I'm doing now)
<stepping off the soapbox, you may now resume normal programming>

 

[goingboeing]

SWA [LUV] LCC is the one with the better wages and benefits over the big three.

We still have too many people at TULE [management and workforce]

AA could also go the route of Delta and get out of the spare parts business by contracting it out to Boeing.Delta says this saves them 20-25% of their parts operating costs.source:The Tulsa World article

AA management needs to hunker down and look at ways to save in every facet of the operation including spare parts.
Today's market can no longer afford the luxury of doing business the same ol'way as we have for years.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Instead of the generic bash management approach, what do YOU think management should do that they aren't doing now that will either 1. reduce costs, 2. increase revenue, or 3. cause the permanent failure of UAL and/or USAir?

That question is best asked of those in highly compensated management positions who are PAID to answer it, not the masses who aren't paid to answer it. That is part of what the OP was doing.

That has long been the battle cry of the kool-AAid drinkers since 9/11 and before . . . they always say, what would YOU do My answer remains the same . . . hand them the salaries of those who are paid to answer those questions and then perhaps they'll share their answers with you, but there is absolutely no way that anyone who isn't paid to come up with these company saving plans should offer them up to those who will be paid for someone else's idea. An honorable mention in a stinkin' jetwire isn't squat when someone else may end up getting a bonus for implementing your ideas.

So perhaps you should instead pose the question of management . . .why aren't you doing more? Those in the field can see the waste on a daily basis. The question is simple, when waste and possible savings are so easy to see, why is it that the good old boys neglect to act on it? Perhaps they aren't being paid enough in their minds to bother with it either?

Ponderous!

 

[mjk]

Then why don't you apply for one of those 'highly compensated management positions' and get PAID for it?

Or is it that you just feel more comfortable staying inside the box, doing whatever it is you do, and complaining that everyone else isn't good enough?

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Yep, I just enjoy giving you HQ based kool-AAid drinkers something to spin in your chairs about.

However, my point and position on the subject are fairly accurate. All one need do is LISTEN out there . . . something management can't seem to get their heads out of their asses long enough to do.

So, lets just see where it goes. Then, you can either come back and gloat, or eat crow. Until then, everyone is still entitled to their opinion, and their opinions are up for debate. You on the other hand would rather shoot the messenger, the sign of a real corporate lackey. That "not me" bunch that are running your dog-n-pony show need to stick to the Family Circus where they belong.

 

[Garfield1966]

Yep, I just enjoy giving you HQ based kool-AAid drinkers something to spin in your chairs about.

However, my point and position on the subject are fairly accurate. All one need do is LISTEN out there . . . something management can't seem to get their heads out of their asses long enough to do.

So, lets just see where it goes. Then, you can either come back and gloat, or eat crow. Until then, everyone is still entitled to their opinion, and their opinions are up for debate. You on the other hand would rather shoot the messenger, the sign of a real corporate lackey. That "not me" bunch that are running your dog-n-pony show need to stick to the Family Circus where they belong.

[post="172004"][/post]​

I forgot what fortune 500 company you said you were CEO of. Can you refresh my memory?

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Instead of clever one-liners, why not put your energy into responding to the position? Can YOU explain why blatant waste that is staring them in the face is repeatedly ignored by white collar management? Or would you rather pull some other clever crap out your back side instead?

 

[Garfield1966]

Ah yes.... management should listen. Lots of us can come up with lots of different ideas. The thing is that most of those ideas are going to cost someone their job, maybe even their own job. Can we schedule more efficiently? Sure, but than means some crew scheduler are going to be unemployed which means we will need less managers, which means maybe a director might get canned. Can’t have that now can we. Could flights be manned more efficiently? I am guessing yes. My understanding is that Delta and South West do not have VM positions. FAA say’s you need 3 people on a 737? Then guess what you only get 3 people no matter if the load is 1 or 100 people on board. So, what FA’s here will vote for that work rule? The examples are endless. Who wants to make the decision who gets canned? Who wants to be the work group leader who comes up with the idea to get their own people fired? What work group is going to agree to work harder for the same money? We all see the world from our seat. Very few see the “big pictureâ€. I am guessing that it ain’t quite as easy as it looks. Hell, look at the APFA. You guy’s can’t even get your own little corner of the world in order and yet everyone has these grand ideas (which no one will share) to make the company more effiecient.

 

[goingboeing]

The problem is that if someone does not make the HARD choices including job reductions there may not be any AA left for anyone to work.

I do not have the position or the compensation for the postion that requires these kinds of decisions.

No pain-No gain
AA is going to have a very difficult time surviving in today's market if the leadership does not make some painful changes.

 

[AgMedallion]

I forgot what fortune 500 company you said you were CEO of. Can you refresh my memory?

[post="172006"][/post]​

 

[FA Mikey]

[post="172082"][/post]​

Given the state of many of these companies and the scandals at the top. Its a good thing to not be included in that picture. Its a shame because some of the lowest end people see more money that could be saved. Some times its small change. Sometimes not. If you are losing millions of dollars, should you not you be interested in saving every last dollar you can? No one is claiming to be a CEO. It would just be nice if one took the time to see all the waste and out dated procedures that bleed us daily. I guess they are too insulated by people with there cute little one liners.

 

[robbedagain]

Agreed. There are too many jets out there burning very expensive jet fuel to chase around $99 transcon and $79 NY-Florida paying pax.

The herd must be thinned.
Instead of the generic bash management approach, what do YOU think management should do that they aren't doing now that will either 1. reduce costs, 2. increase revenue, or 3. cause the permanent failure of UAL and/or USAir?

<stepping up on the soapbox>
If oil was somewhere under $40/barrel, we would have turned a decent profit last quarter. Many of you in here would then be whining and crying, demanding your paycut back, and trolling the parking garage at HDQ wondering where upper management is parking the new Mercedes' that Arpey allegedly bought for them. Instead you're complaing that "If the AMR management does not change its course of direction AA will eventually wind up in chapter 11."

It just seems to me that alot of people on this board (not necessarily you goingboeing) will complain and bash management no matter what the financial performance of AMR is at the time.

Perhaps some just use this board to vent. (Like I'm doing now)
<stepping off the soapbox, you may now resume normal programming>

[post="171822"][/post]​

oh really! may be aa ought to go out instead i happen to be a usair employee and i'd love to see my airline survive i view your statement about us and us ought to go as a direct assualt on me and my fellow employees at usair! you should be asham,ed after how you were treated by the last ceo though not as bad as how we at usair are getting you at least are considered an assesst as we the usair ought to go bye bye are only liabilities.

 

[twasilverbullet]

oh really! may be aa ought to go out instead i happen to be a usair employee and i'd love to see my airline survive i view your statement about us and us ought to go as a direct assualt on me and my fellow employees at usair! you should be asham,ed after how you were treated by the last ceo though not as bad as how we at usair are getting you at least are considered an assesst as we the usair ought to go bye bye are only liabilities.

[post="172103"][/post]​

Well said, it's just about the me, myself, and I mentality. I wish you folks the best.