Charlie_Tuna
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In the event the merger didn't take place U was ready to liquidate. Therefore in light of these circumstances ALL U Pilots should be stapled below ALL AWA Pilots
U Was Close To Liquidating
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Barring some additional merger(s)..with attitudes like yours tuna fish...this is likely to become the future combined fate of US/AWA.
PS: I don't "need" this job.
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Charlie_Tuna
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With your "give me what I want or else" attitude I am surprised you made it this far. Maybe you think that since that attitude worked for US Airways against it's employees it will work for you against AWA Pilots. Don't count on it.
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I've no personal issue as to advancement..and I've No "give me" notions on anything..except that I've this teensy-weensy little "issue" with people being placed ahead of very decent, and highly experienced pilots that I've known for years.
"I am surprised you made it this far"....and your opionion should concern me exactly how "junior"?
If no way's found to actually merge this adversarial "list" of pilots...it's likely to prove extremely ill for both "sides" and the corporate entity as well. We've all got our anger and issues..but this must be worked out if this place is to "work" for any amount of time.
If it's utterly escaped yourself and your AWA fellows...this isn't the last "merger" that's likely to directly effect us. In case you guys are without any vision beyond the "Seniorty Ball"...Doogies' on the prowl to cash himself out via more millions from another misbegotten "marriage". Can you say: "Delta wouldn't have me so I got drunk!!"?....Do you think that's his final effort? These clowns care nothing about actually running an airline. They're corporate thieves on the prowl for naught/nobody but themselves. Our employee issues mean zero to such as their ilk, and this seniority debacle plays well into their hands for the immediate future of employee abuse. NOW...WTF's your imaginary/"but the arbitrator awarded it!!" NUMBER ...REALLY MEAN for the future??? It's hardly now likely that this "Award" will be implemented within the course of YEARS. Such would require the advancement of an extremely generous contract offer...as if such will happen from these guys. BTW: What's YOUR next "seniority number" to be based upon?...Your good looks?
lynyrdskynyrd
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Well I'm 5 foot 7, I hope my next number isn't based on my height, and I'm not sure that I'd do any better based on looks either. :unsure:
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I'm there on both counts = The damn Lakers refused me even so much as a tryout...and my Hollywood agent never calls me
OldGuyinPA
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The liquidation ploy..was just that..a ploy to rape employees and suppliers. Nothing else. Lakefield was a money man and things were in place to continue the airline. Why do you think we were so profitable so quickly after bankruptcy 2 ?? It certainly wasn't because of what AWA brought to the table...
It's going to be a long, hot summer.
It's going to be a long, hot summer.
>>If no way's found to actually merge this adversarial "list" of pilots...it's likely to prove extremely ill for both "sides" and the corporate entity as well. We've all got our anger and issues..but this must be worked out if this place is to "work" for any amount of time.<<<
I am pretty harsh on East attitude to West, but I have no ill will...I just strongly disagree with the stance you take toward West.
Why would the West be ill? We tried to work with you, but your group wanted everything. You got
B757 flying (LOA)
E190 Arbitration (post merger arbitration 66% flying with IOU to HP guys)
Tried to get additional widebody flying (post merger) in seniority arbitration
Essentially you not only want DOH, but you guys wanted the gravy also. So basically from my perspective I see East as wanting to get back what they lost at West's expense.
That is hardly fair. Why should my family suffer for something I had nothing to do with? This comes across as not only a DOH thing, but a superiority thing. Let's face it your total flight time or years of service don't prove your a better pilot than the other. Both sides have the 5 percenters.
Some of your guys complain that West took your profit sharing. Well we all know it's in the transition agreement. However last I checked profit is based on an annual result. I believe HP was around and contributing to profit in 2006. Remember profit sharing is an annual thing. Some in your group believe we are not entiteled to profit sharing because we didn't go through the past your group did. How is that logical? It took both sides to make 2006 a profitable year.
It's one thing to argue DOH, it's another to try and throw fellow pilots under the bus. If you tell me it's just business (arbitration)..then fine, but you then you should be man enough to live with the results even if they didn't go your way.
I am pretty harsh on East attitude to West, but I have no ill will...I just strongly disagree with the stance you take toward West.
Why would the West be ill? We tried to work with you, but your group wanted everything. You got
B757 flying (LOA)
E190 Arbitration (post merger arbitration 66% flying with IOU to HP guys)
Tried to get additional widebody flying (post merger) in seniority arbitration
Essentially you not only want DOH, but you guys wanted the gravy also. So basically from my perspective I see East as wanting to get back what they lost at West's expense.
That is hardly fair. Why should my family suffer for something I had nothing to do with? This comes across as not only a DOH thing, but a superiority thing. Let's face it your total flight time or years of service don't prove your a better pilot than the other. Both sides have the 5 percenters.
Some of your guys complain that West took your profit sharing. Well we all know it's in the transition agreement. However last I checked profit is based on an annual result. I believe HP was around and contributing to profit in 2006. Remember profit sharing is an annual thing. Some in your group believe we are not entiteled to profit sharing because we didn't go through the past your group did. How is that logical? It took both sides to make 2006 a profitable year.
It's one thing to argue DOH, it's another to try and throw fellow pilots under the bus. If you tell me it's just business (arbitration)..then fine, but you then you should be man enough to live with the results even if they didn't go your way.
Are you saying that AWA had nothing to do with it at all? We brought nothing to the table? I think both sides brought value to each other.
Please don't tell me that USAirways at the time was this strong brand name like Delta or SWA? USAirways operation in BK2 was pathetic. Remember the bags in PHL at Christmas?
It is all fog and mirrors. There is no substantial proof that CH11 was imminent to AWA. I believe it was more like conceptual talk from DP. AWA did have notes that needed to be refinanced later in 2005, and if capacity wasn't reduced in the market and pricing continued to stay weak, then CH11 was most likely inevitable. But the key to remember is that Doug likes to talk out loud conceptually. But AWA was already low cost airline with a popular management team (ATSB Load, Innovative Fare Structure, Fought off CH11 after 9/11), and conceptually speaking could have been saved by an investor group.
The market was hurting everyone at the time.
That's my view, conceptually speaking of course.
It just continues to amaze me that people on this board believe this stuff they post.
And how do you "know" this. Were you involved in the merger/takeover talks with the boards and senior management and the investors? I think not - so prove your statement.
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I thought you would be smart enough to see this sarcastic topic was started as a "Saturday Night Live" play on skyflyr69's pot stirring "Zanzabar Project" topic and algflyr's ridiculous post in that topic.
You seem to forget the real "fight" here is about seniority and what Pilots perceive should affect the combined list. Here we are on a internet board debating it. Of course IMO the binding arbitration award made all this debating a moot point and this is all being done to let the Pilots blow off some steam. But why show your ignorance by using "your" "Customer and Employee are taking it in shorts" argument when it is clear when it comes to seniority Pilots only care about themselves and don't give a proverbial rats ass about you or anyone else?
Since you are suddenly an expert in the state of US Airways and it's second bankruptcy how about shedding some of your insider knowledge and infinite wisdom (and facts) on it and how strong U was without AWA? Or do you just plan to leave it at something a320 would say.. "I have my sources" or be like 700 and state something as fact but never comeback with any evidence to support your claim when pressed.
I admitted my topic was started in jest but the "Liquidation" comment comes straight out of Parkers mouth in meetings.
Why does one work if there is no need to?
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