Twu Lies - On Video

[Steve Connell]

Nervous?..thinking of the possibility of the AMFA supporters being my bargaining agent..you bet..worries me. Ohhhhh...but with AMFA we'll have accountability!, meaning what...I get to fire the whole lot of you and then what..we still live with what you saviors of our trade have brought to us, as you charge the TWU.

....and Bob you were talking about the TWU leadership letting us down...what was your position that you failed at? It becomes apparent that I should not expect anymore from the majority of the AMFA...afterall..you all now blame TWU and the IAM for the loss of TWA seniority rights..you are a joke, I'm sure all of us @ MCI believe that the members in TUL and AFW wanted us dovetailed in..fact..I bet they wanted to oust their presidents for voting our seniority away.

....did I mention that the AMFA organizers at MCI, Aug. 9th, stated to the small turnout there that AMFA would have dovetailed us in automatically...you know...the real union way...did they give you the same speach in TUL?, or were they simply trolling for cards?

....Northwest Airlines will eliminate nearly a fifth of its flights out of the
airline's Memphis hub starting Jan. 6. About 55 mechanic and ground worker positions will be cut along with the service reductions.....accountability.

 

[Bob Owens]

Nervous?..thinking of the possibility of the AMFA supporters being my bargaining agent..you bet..worries me. Ohhhhh...but with AMFA we'll have accountability!, meaning what...I get to fire the whole lot of you and then what..we still live with what you saviors of our trade have brought to us, as you charge the TWU.

....and Bob you were talking about the TWU leadership letting us down...what was your position that you failed at? It becomes apparent that I should not expect anymore from the majority of the AMFA...afterall..you all now blame TWU and the IAM for the loss of TWA seniority rights..you are a joke, I'm sure all of us @ MCI believe that the members in TUL and AFW wanted us dovetailed in..fact..I bet they wanted to oust their presidents for voting our seniority away.

....did I mention that the AMFA organizers at MCI, Aug. 9th, stated to the small turnout there that AMFA would have dovetailed us in automatically...you know...the real union way...did they give you the same speach in TUL?, or were they simply trolling for cards?

....Northwest Airlines will eliminate nearly a fifth of its flights out of the
airline's Memphis hub starting Jan. 6. About 55 mechanic and ground worker positions will be cut along with the service reductions.....accountability.

With accountability and the possibility that they might get replaced leaders are more inclined to do what is best for the members.

I did not fail. I was elected twice by my members, both times in three way races, last time with nearly 70% of the vote, if the vote was conducted today it would probably be better than 90%. The JimLittle and the International did not like what I had to say, so Sonny in his finest "democratic" position removed me from office.

Sonny pressed charges but refused to attend the hearing. He refused to contact me in any way other than to levy charges. The man is a coward and a crook.

If I remember correctly it was the AMFA supporters in Tulsa that wanted dovetail. If you have not figured it out yet if Tulsa wants it and everyone else does not, Tulsa gets it. I was against it, thats what our members voted for and there was no clear right or wrong in it.

Your reps did not think that I was a joke when I came down to MCI to talk to you guys, I never saw grown men behave like such frightened children. I met some decent guys there, but some of those reps were pitiful.

As far as NWA, when demand returns so will the flights, and even if those guys are laid off for two years they will still make more than us by 2008.

 

[Rusty]

..we still live with what you saviors of our trade have brought to us, as you charge the TWU.

It becomes apparent that I should not expect anymore from the majority of the AMFA...afterall..you all now blame TWU and the IAM for the loss of TWA seniority rights..you are a joke, I'm sure all of us @ MCI believe that the members in TUL and AFW wanted us dovetailed in..fact..I bet they wanted to oust their presidents for voting our seniority away.

Wow, now it's our fault, AMFA supporters that lost your senority??? Don't you think that is stretching it a bit far there Steve! Truth and fact is a negotiator made the decision but, if there is someone or an organization to blame it would and could only be the IAM. The IAM made a deal to sell you out for dues and I know you have read the documents and the decision, so does this mean you are in fact trying hard to put a lot of spin on the subject???

I will say this, I was a shop steward at the time this was happening and the majority did not like the idea of dovetailing you guys in. Personally I supported the dovetail against the majority and at the time I was not an AMFA supporter. That belief came with me and I fail to see how you can blame AMFA. The fact is I have found more dovetail supporters in AMFA than I did the TWU although it is a mute subject and now something behind us. Holding a grudge will not get anyone anywhere.

Better watch out, your stance of all you have to do is "support your local" will not stop the outsourcing of work and or closing of bases. You will soon have to open your eyes to the entire industry; it may scare you but, if you don't the world will pass you by leaving you holding your tool bag all alone. Fact is the industry has for many years now competed in who can farm out the work the fastest without any checks in place. Here in Tulsa we have an in-house farm out policy. Still get dues money but at a much cheaper rate! That trend is still in place. Until we can find unity among our craft and class and put a stop to it, I believe the trend will continue. The fact is it has been happening under the watchful eye of the afl-cio which of whom has not been able to curtail it by lobbying. The laws still allow it!!!

Northwest admits they were outsourcing work to Singapore long before AMFA came in.
United Airlines was under the watchful eye of the UAL when they went into bankruptcy and started outsourcing work. Everybody in the industry knows this and when you say it's AMFA's fault, it only shows your foolishness. These other TWU boys in here are paid to put spin on the subject but you are being sucked into it by a cultist belief. I have said it before and will say it again. PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN AND WAKE UP!!!!!! Sorry if that statement hurts but, you have to wake up somehow, maybe getting pissed is that way!!!

....did I mention that the AMFA organizers at MCI, Aug. 9th, stated to the small turnout there that AMFA would have dovetailed us in automatically...you know...the real union way...did they give you the same speach in TUL?, or were they simply trolling for cards?

I have no idea what was said but, I do know O. V Delle Famine believes that when you are laid off at one Airline, when you hire on at the next, the hiring Airline should pay for your experience and come in at the wage in which you left the last, this should tell you something about the believes of the top guy at AMFA. On the other hand if you do not like his way of thinking you can start a petition to get him out of office.

....Northwest Airlines will eliminate nearly a fifth of its flights out of the
airline's Memphis hub starting Jan. 6. About 55 mechanic and ground worker positions will be cut along with the service reductions.....accountability.

I have seen a trucking company here at the base supposedly carrying equipment out of MCI to TUL at an astonishing rate. I would and can only imagine that this is not a good thing for MCI. Here in a few months I think we should compare numbers!!! I do not want to see MCI closed or even downsized at all. You guys have a lot of experience and should be rewarded for your long drawn out fight for survival. I will say that if MCI is downsized or even shut down the union will not have anything to do with it and conversely if they stay open and even grow in size the union has nothing to do with it either. If 200 million dollars plus won't do it, nothing will. I do believe the company has made a decision on the subject and has told the TWU, I say that because I see the TWU trying to put spin on the incident before it happens. This tells me that the TWU already knows the answer and are going to try to use it against AMFA. Which is again bullshit and will probably get more cards signed. You see people are not as stupid as you would like to believe they are..

 

[Raptor]

I agree with Rusty I do not want to see MCI shut down either but the writing is on the wall, I think that AA will shut down MCI, and as Rusty said it will not be the TWU or AMFA fault it will be a company decision that no one can stop.

 

[Checking it Out]

Why than is work going to MCI from Tulsa and the base is scheduled to have openings for some of the Mechanics in St Louis?

 

[Bob Owens]

Why than is work going to MCI from Tulsa and the base is scheduled to have openings for some of the Mechanics in St Louis?

Could it be from attrition?

You know the same attrition that lowers the number of cards needed for an election?

 

[dreese]

Steve i did not want to dovetail you guys in I will be honest, my thought process was i worked for AA longer than TWA guys so they should not move ahead of me on the senority list most of you guys have many many years under your belt. I should not be suffer because your company went under. This may seem harsh to you and i mean no disrespect but this is how most of the people i know felt.

If TWA bought AA would guys have done it diffrent????????


One last thing Kasher is an idiot he really made a mess of what he did giveyou

 

[Rusty]

I just thought this was a very good video and thought it deserved to be closer to the top. Twu's says 4500, NW says 2808. hmmm, Now why would the TWU say 4500??? Would they have an agenda???

 

[MCI AFL-CIO]

If TWA bought AA would guys have done it diffrent????????


YES, ask the OZARK workforce, who BTW were AMFA, and the TWA workforce/IAM dovetailed

 

[Bob Owens]

If TWA bought AA would guys have done it diffrent????????


YES, ask the OZARK workforce, who BTW were AMFA, and the TWA workforce/IAM dovetailed

Wrong.

If I recall the OZARK contract had a successorship clause that AMFA would not agree to concede, thats why non-AFL-CIO members were dovetailed into an affiliated union.

At AA the conditions were different. TWA was facing bankruptcy. Apparently the IAM did not want to get stuck with a $700,000,000 pension liability should TWA go C-7.

When TWA bought OZARK how many employees did they have to absorb and what was their average seniority? More than likely the disruption was minimal, except to those who were effected by it of course.

TWA was a different story. Dovetailing it in would cause a major disruption to a large number of employees since TWA was a long established entity, that was in decline for many years. This meant that the average employee would more than likely have more time than the average AA employee if they were dovetailed.

 

[RV4]

The AMFA Info Meeting videos have become the hot item in Tulsa.

Special Thanks to the TWU Officers for paying 8 Hours of Union Business time off for the movie stars in the AMFA Organizing video. (They Should be Charged With Dual Unionism for Promoting AMFA)

Nothing makes a bold statement of fact like a Q&A video session.

50% Cards signed and counting.

Flex Benefit Enrollment showing 35-40% increase in payroll deductions for same medical coverage.

We are out of vacation with the Tulsa Base Holiday closure approaching fast.

I think we now which Easter was meant in the now infamous "AMFA by Easter" slogan of years gone by.

HAVE AN AMFA DAY!

 

[RV4]

About the TWU:

IN TRANSIT
The Transport Workers Union in New York City, 1933 - 1966
by Joshua B. Freeman

This history of New York transit workers from the Great Depression to the monumental 1966 transit strike shows how, through collective action, the men and women who operated the world's largest transit system brought about a virtual revolution in their daily lives.

Joshua Freeman's detailed descriptions of both transit work and transit workers, and his full account of the formation and development of the Transport Workers Union (TWU) provide new insight into the nature of modern industrial unionism. Freeman pays particular attention to the role of Communists and veterans of the Irish Republican Army--including TWU president Michael J. Quill--in organizing and leading the union, as well as to the Catholic labor activists who were the principal union dissidents. Freeman also explores the intense political struggles over the New York transit system. He links the TWU's pioneering role in public sector unionism to worker militancy and the union's deep involvement in New York politics. His portrait of Fiorello La Guardia's determined opposition to the TWU belies La Guardia's pro-labor reputation.

By combining social and political history with the study of collective bargaining, In Transit makes a major contribution to the history of American labor, radicalism, and urban politics. An intimate portrait of the politics of mass transit and public sector unionism, and one of the most detailed reconstructions to date of the social processes of industrial unionism, the book will appeal to anyone interested in New York City's subways, politics, history, and labor. It will be of particular interest to labor historians, urban historians, and historians of modem American politics.

 

[TonyB]

Great book. I actually enjyed it.
Even though the TWU was communist inspired it still did plenty of good. Too bad it's become a mere shell of it's old self. Another book you may like is called Taking Care of Business by Paul Buhle. It is an eye opener.

 

[j7915]

About the TWU:

IN TRANSIT
The Transport Workers Union in New York City, 1933 - 1966
by Joshua B. Freeman

This history of New York transit workers from the Great Depression to the monumental 1966 transit strike shows how, through collective action, the men and women who operated the world's largest transit system brought about a virtual revolution in their daily lives.

Joshua Freeman's detailed descriptions of both transit work and transit workers, and his full account of the formation and development of the Transport Workers Union (TWU) provide new insight into the nature of modern industrial unionism. Freeman pays particular attention to the role of Communists and veterans of the Irish Republican Army--including TWU president Michael J. Quill--in organizing and leading the union, as well as to the Catholic labor activists who were the principal union dissidents. Freeman also explores the intense political struggles over the New York transit system. He links the TWU's pioneering role in public sector unionism to worker militancy and the union's deep involvement in New York politics. His portrait of Fiorello La Guardia's determined opposition to the TWU belies La Guardia's pro-labor reputation.

By combining social and political history with the study of collective bargaining, In Transit makes a major contribution to the history of American labor, radicalism, and urban politics. An intimate portrait of the politics of mass transit and public sector unionism, and one of the most detailed reconstructions to date of the social processes of industrial unionism, the book will appeal to anyone interested in New York City's subways, politics, history, and labor. It will be of particular interest to labor historians, urban historians, and historians of modem American politics.

RV4, you are either being marginalized again in this forum, or you just can't seem to remember that the communist are dead and gone.

However with the "ecstatically selected greatest war lord of all times in the White House", squashing labor, Karl Marx may just rise again, in the US of A this time.

After all, the Nazi "Nacht und Nebel" arrest and disappearance laws have been resurrected also, in the US of A.

Just remember that in the spectrum of political thought the left and right wing fanatics tend to merge 180 degrees from the moderate center. And whether you like it or not, the aformentioned gentleman is hell on wheels against unions and labor in general, any labor that earns more than $5.50 per hour or less than a million or more per year, that is.

So can the part about the communist influences in the founding of the TWU, unless you also want to throw in the IRA? Surely they were good guys, freedom fighters and all that.

 

[MCI AFL-CIO]

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Dave, I suppose your also saying that Dell, before AMFA, was not involved in any union that according to you, had communist ties? Of course not, and also you expect us to beleive he and AMFA can walk on water, AMFA is WHOLLIER THAN THO