TWU - Fear Based Union Leadership and Intimidation

[1AA]

And we have a contract. Signed agreement. Twu is still liable to enforce the contract they negotiated. You can't just step aside and your CBA goes away. More fear tactics in favor of the alliance vote if it ever happens.

 

[700UW]

Are you that stupid?

If you vote down the Alliance and become non-union you have no more CBA, that's the law. It has happened in the industry plenty.

 

[TWU informer]

Are you that stupid? If you vote down the Alliance and become non-union you have no more CBA, that's the law. It has happened in the industry plenty.

 
That fear in you must be based on a belief that there are no protections for the company in the CBA that would also be lost. I can imagine the chaos that would happen at this airline if the CBA were gone and company didnt treat us fairly. You might be fearing your own shadow. I can see where  the unskilled, overpaid, unaccountable, and "lucky to have a job" brothers might be worried.
 
loss of the NO Strike - NO lockout article alone would open up pandoras box.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

 
 
In case you missed my earlier post:
 
 
 
                                                         The B-Scale Plague
 
American Airlines adopted the benchmark B-scale in 1983, permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50 percent. In fact, under the AA system—negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table—pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of then-current employees.
 
Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.
 
As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency. — Martin C. Seham
 
Although B-scales were not a new concept, their initial format was unique to the airline industry. Following American’s lead, other airlines began to demand similar packages—forcing the entire airline labor movement into a new era of concessions. Good for management; bad for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and all of the airline industry’s workers.
 
 
                                               The TWU did not approve nor recommend the 1983 Contract
 
 
As I recall, we were on the countdown and management (Charlie Pascuito)  gave the Negotiating Committee a copy of their yellow dog contract & told the Negotiating Committee if they didn’t recommend the offer on the table, it would be implemented at midnight. John Kerrigan told the company to stick it, and the offer went out with no approval or recommendation. It passed by a +75% vote.
 
 
                                                     UNION OKS AMERICAN AIRLINES PACT
 
Author: United Press International
 
Transportation Workers Union officials said yesterday that union members have ratified a new contract with American Airlines, averting a strike that had been scheduled for 12:01 a.m. today. 
 
TWU leaders had recommended that the contract be rejected. 
 
The airline set the strike deadline on the pact after the union backed out of a strike three weeks ago and submitted the contract to the membership. 
 
American had said it would use nonunion personnel to run the airline if the TWU 's 10,000 ground workers struck. It also said if the contract was not ratified, it would begin laying off TWU workers. 
 
The airline 's offer includes 21 percent pay raises over the three-year life of the contract; a clause the airline calls a "lifetime" job guarantee, and incentives for early retirement at age 55. 
 
But it also grants the airline the right to ask TWU employees to do work not covered in their job descriptions; establishes a separate wage structure for new employees up to 27 percent below union scale, and allows the airline to contract for building maintainance work outside the union. 
 
It was these clauses that prompted TWU officials to recommend that the contract be rejected.
 
Edition: FINAL
Section: BUSINESS
Dateline: DALLAS

Unfortunately I am not a pilot Reality.  I am a mechanic and I was a victim of the B scale mechanic wage where I made half of what the A scalers made and it took me forever to get to the top.  Of course the TWU "Negotitated" a shorter top out when most of us had finally topped out.  All of us who have lived through the lousy contracts the TWU has "Negotiated" remember who were the only mechanics in the airline industry who had a B, then a C and then a D scale.  We also enjoy the worst pay and benefits in the entire airline industry thanks to the TWU and their "Job saving" contracts that provide inferior pay and inferior benefits and less jobs.  You have got to be on the international teat.  I hired on in 85 and I was told by an 83 guy that it was a good thing I got in the door because starting in September there was going to be a C scale.  Every union official in Tulsa told us that we were lucky to have a job and not complain about making half of what an A scaler made.  Then the C scalers had no insurance for a full year.  What kind of union does that to members?  Oh yeah the TWU the reason I was told was that they didn't represent people who did not work for the company yet.  Pretty pathetic.  

 

[700UW]

You can't strike if you are an employee at will.

It happened at US/PI and the NW/DL mergers.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

When you are the TWU and the truth will show you to be incompetent then you must use fear and lies to get what you want.  Our numbers have been decimated along with our wages and benefits but they still claim jobs have been saved.  O/S will still claim this even though we have half the people we used to have a few years ago.  Less pay, less benefits, less jobs.... Record profits while we are the lowest paid in the industry.  But you better vote for the alliance or AA will run over you.  I have some news for the Koolaid drinkers.  AA is and has been running roughshod over us for many years with the blessing of the TWU.  

 

[swamt]

Unfortunately I am not a pilot Reality.  I am a mechanic and I was a victim of the B scale mechanic wage where I made half of what the A scalers made and it took me forever to get to the top.  Of course the TWU "Negotitated" a shorter top out when most of us had finally topped out.  All of us who have lived through the lousy contracts the TWU has "Negotiated" remember who were the only mechanics in the airline industry who had a B, then a C and then a D scale.  We also enjoy the worst pay and benefits in the entire airline industry thanks to the TWU and their "Job saving" contracts that provide inferior pay and inferior benefits and less jobs.  You have got to be on the international teat.  I hired on in 85 and I was told by an 83 guy that it was a good thing I got in the door because starting in September there was going to be a C scale.  Every union official in Tulsa told us that we were lucky to have a job and not complain about making half of what an A scaler made.  Then the C scalers had no insurance for a full year.  What kind of union does that to members?  Oh yeah the TWU the reason I was told was that they didn't represent people who did not work for the company yet.  Pretty pathetic.  

Not Pretty pathetic,  VERY FREAKIN PATHETIC!!!   Typical TWU and industrial union actions at work, period...

 

[swamt]

The letter to the shop stewards actually says that we will lose our CBA if we don't vote for the alliance and that the company can fire at will.   

Absolute scare tactic...

 

[700UW]

Why dont you explain how it is a scare tactic?
 
If the Alliance vote goes down, both the IAM and TWU will lose there certification at US and AA, no union, no CBA.

 

[iluvaa]

Works for me I don't need a union they haven't done nothing for me. 90% of the private sector doesn't have one and all is well

 

[WeAAsles]

Works for me I don't need a union they haven't done nothing for me. 90% of the private sector doesn't have one and all is well

 

Earnings

In 2013, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median 
usual weekly earnings of $950, while those who were not union members had 
median weekly earnings of $750. In addition to coverage by a collective 
bargaining agreement, this earnings difference reflects a variety of 
influences, including variations in the distributions of union members and 
nonunion employees by occupation, industry, firm size, or geographic region. 
(See table 2.)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Earnings

In 2013, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median
usual weekly earnings of $950, while those who were not union members had
median weekly earnings of $750. In addition to coverage by a collective
bargaining agreement, this earnings difference reflects a variety of
influences, including variations in the distributions of union members and
nonunion employees by occupation, industry, firm size, or geographic region.
(See table 2.)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Great....... now let's see those numbers without the PUBLIC SECTOR workers.
 
Let's look at some of the highlights.
 
The data on union membership were collected as part of the Current Population Survey (CPS), a monthly sample survey of about 60,000 households that obtains information on employment and unemployment among the nation's civilian noninstitutional population age 16 and over.
 
You can bet those 60,000 they use for sampling are targeting to make the "statistics" say what they want them to say.
 
this earnings difference reflects a variety of influences, including variations in the distributions of union members and nonunion employees by occupation, industry, firm size, or geographic region.
 
More proof they manipulated the numbers.
 
Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (35.3 percent) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.7 percent). 
 
Public sector jobs should not be included in this total since government is not held accountable to control costs.
 
Among states, New York continued to have the highest union membership rate (24.4 percent), and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.0 percent). 
 
Another tactic they are using is to manipulate the numbers by targeting high cost of living areas with strong PRIVATE SECTOR TAXPAYER SUPPLEMENTED UNION EMPLOYEES to skew the results.

 

[scorpion 2]

The twu is already telling Tulsa to get ready for a cost neutral contract. If the US Air guys thought they were going to get a better deal in the next round of negotiations think again. The only synergy moving forward will be rearranging the deck but no new cards being shuffled in, so get ready,,,,,    your about to get twscrewed!  Look for Tulsa to be used one last time to get a feartract signed.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The twu is already telling Tulsa to get ready for a cost neutral contract. If the US Air guys thought they were going to get a better deal in the next round of negotiations think again. The only synergy moving forward will be rearranging the deck but no new cards being shuffled in, so get ready,,,,,    your about to get twscrewed!  Look for Tulsa to be used one last time to get a feartract signed.

TWscrUed. Not spelled correctly but it gets the point across.

 

[TWU informer]

You can't strike if you are an employee at will. It happened at US/PI and the NW/DL mergers.

Why dont you read a little real labor history about how laws had to be broken and civil disobedience or worse had to take place to make gains for the working class?
 
You have been trained by the cult that pandering to politicians and following the letter of the law is your only solution. Meanwhile, politicians and legislation are controlled by the rich, laws are against us, and you are a wuss. Just Great! You would qualify to be in a higher position in the industrial union leadership.
 
Please read some history, find out how we got to this point, and show me where any real gains have been made for the working class by following leaders that think like you do.
 
You guys all talk about strength in numbers, but what are the numbers good for if they are never used? They seem to be only used under a false belief that we all do as they tell us at the ballot box. That aint working!