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[Kev3188]

So basically your link is useless and thank you for wasting bandwidth !

Over the last few weeks, you have wasted no opportunity to thrash and wail about the idea of a Living Wage, and how no one could tell you what the number should be. People of all political stripes have tried to show you that with so many factors in play, it's not that simple, yet on you went anyway, like a wounded animal.

You were then presented a link to an interactive, data rich website that would allow you to see for yourself just how hard-if not impossible- it is to apply a one-size-fits-all number to the nation as a whole. Based on your responses since, it has proven beyond your intellectual capacity; after all, it involves more than binary logic.

Is providing a link to a scholarly website with tons of data relevant to the current conversation a waste of bandwidth? No.

Is it wasted on you? Apparently so.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

dont waste your time explaning a term, living wage, because it is self explanatory. these guys insisting on a definition are just throwing out hobgoblins.

 

[SparrowHawk]

dont waste your time explaning a term, living wage, because it is self explanatory. these guys insisting on a definition are just throwing out hobgoblins.

Not really! Economists would insist on a dollar figure. Also it depends upon how you define "Living wage".

If I live in NJ I should be able to rent a place, pay the utilities, have enough money to buy food and trasportation to work. For me that monthly "Nut" was about $2200.

When I moved to MN that same monthly "Nut" was about $1,500.

So then what's a living wage?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Not really! Economists would insist on a dollar figure. Also it depends upon how you define "Living wage".

If I live in NJ I should be able to rent a place, pay the utilities, have enough money to buy food and trasportation to work. For me that monthly "Nut" was about $2200.

When I moved to MN that same monthly "Nut" was about $1,500.

So then what's a living wage?

Geez Sparrow. Go back to the MIT link provided by Kev.

Here. I will help: http://livingwage.mit.edu/

This is not all that difficult.

 

[xUT]

Geez Sparrow. Go back to the MIT link provided by Kev.

Here. I will help: http://livingwage.mit.edu/

This is not all that difficult.

Thanks for the link but the data is skewed.

San Jose make $10.00 Min:
San Jose Minimum Wage Increase Impacts Goodwill

Goodwill of Silicon Valley was planning on giving all of their 620 South Bay employees a bump in pay this year, but when voters passed Measure D, increasing the minimum wage only in San Jose, plans changed.
The 180 employees who work outside San Jose ended up with a 50 cents an hour raise while their San Jose counterparts got a $2 jump.
“I’ve met with most employees in the organization who are non San Jose personally and let them know the news of what we were going to do,” says Fox who also let them know that it is his goal to eventually get them up to a ten dollar an hour wage.
The wage hike in San Jose is costing the organization $1.3 million, which it hopes to make up in revenue, in part, by increasing prices at its retail stores.

San FranFreako makes 10.55

Is this a living wage?
No.
Is it my fault?
No.

If a person decides to be single and have 2 kids, should I pay them more?
No!

Housing costs are skewed as well. Most of min wage folks in the Bay area don't live in the city where they work.

The Gooberment says 'well raise your prices'.
Good luck with that in this economy!

Just my 2 cents.

B) xUT

 

[RDU Jetblast]

Not really! Economists would insist on a dollar figure. Also it depends upon how you define "Living wage".

If I live in NJ I should be able to rent a place, pay the utilities, have enough money to buy food and trasportation to work. For me that monthly "Nut" was about $2200.

When I moved to MN that same monthly "Nut" was about $1,500.

So then what's a living wage?

.

I get what you are saying. It is incumbent upon the individual to make himself marketable through education,hardwork and experience to make more than a living wage.

However, I am reminded of my father who work in building maintenance in nyc and my father in lawwho work maintenance in a furniture factory in lenoir, NC. Essentially the same job but my father was able to accumulate wealth because he earned union pay. He enjoyed retirement. My father in law lived well but he didnt get paid as much. He didnt have much. His retirement was on a tight budget. Both earned a living wage.

 

[xUT]

you just answered your own question. It has so many variables that it is unique to a degree. If you were a buddhist monk, all younneed to live is the generosity and kindness of those you encounter. If you were a wealthy Manhattanite who needs a house cleaner, you better plan on paying a living wage because it is expensive to live in the surrounding area. Otherwise, there will be no house cleaners.

Your funny!
Do you believe that a Manhattan house cleaner makes a living wage?
Sheeeeet..., those shops hire off the grid. Owner takes their cut.
B) xUT

 

[RDU Jetblast]

Your funny!
Do you believe that a Manhattan house cleaner makes a living wage?
Sheeeeet..., those shops hire off the grid. Owner takes their cut.
B) xUT

my mother was a housecleaner in manhattan. but while you were responding I was editing my post.

 

[777 fixer]

Didn't want to bring it up but here but here's a fact straight from an ex EAL mecbanic, in my family. Part of EAL's demise was that the mechanics and ramp were represented by the same union and every time the mechanics got a raise, so did the bag loaders to the point where they were making as much as a licensed mechanic! Not saying that was the sole reason for EAL's demise but there was a lot more.to it than bad management!

Btw, my Grandfather, Father and 3 uncles worked at EAL.......I think I have all the facts I need concerning EAL.........next!

What does the income of mechanics and rampers have to do with the demise of EAL?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Globalization is our downfall.

yet studies repeatedly come out showing that globalization is indeed resulting in higher standards of living for the poorest of the world.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/17/aid-trade-reduce-acute-poverty

Apparently those who advocate against globalization and for protections for American workers think it is ok for Americans to gain from others in the world but the reverse should never be allowed to be true.

The reality is that the US economy for years succeeded because of America's economic dominance in the world and came on the heels of the US' military victories.

The only way that economic dominance could continue was to allow others into the party in order to buy US products. A conquered people are no market for your products. Countries that have rebuilt their economies or built them for the first time with principles you taught them present the greatest potential for Americans to succeed economically.

Yet too few people here understand the economics of global trade and politics so shrink into protectionism.

Isn't it ironic that employees and supporters of airlines - one of the world's industries that plays such a significant part in global trade are some of the least to "get it" regarding the economics of global trade - or least able to figure out how to adapt and succeed on their own?

 

[KCFlyer]

yet studies repeatedly come out showing that globalization is indeed resulting in higher standards of living for the poorest of the world.

http://www.guardian....e-acute-poverty

Apparently those who advocate against globalization and for protections for American workers think it is ok for Americans to gain from others in the world but the reverse should never be allowed to be true.

The reality is that the US economy for years succeeded because of America's economic dominance in the world and came on the heels of the US' military victories.

The only way that economic dominance could continue was to allow others into the party in order to buy US products. A conquered people are no market for your products. Countries that have rebuilt their economies or built them for the first time with principles you taught them present the greatest potential for Americans to succeed economically.

Yet too few people here understand the economics of global trade and politics so shrink into protectionism.

Isn't it ironic that employees and supporters of airlines - one of the world's industries that plays such a significant part in global trade are some of the least to "get it" regarding the economics of global trade - or least able to figure out how to adapt and succeed on their own?

So in other words..the American way has increased the standards of living in third world countries, and in order to compete in a global marketplace, it is now the US turn to become more like a third world country. Got it.

 

[southwind]

So in other words..the American way has increased the standards of living in third world countries, and in order to compete in a global marketplace, it is now the US turn to become more like a third world country. Got it.

Which the Annointed One has us headed towards, faster than a speeding bullet !

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006​

 

[KCFlyer]

Maybe so South...but not as fast as the "pro business" folks would like.

 

[delldude]

Geez Sparrow. Go back to the MIT link provided by Kev.

Here. I will help: http://livingwage.mit.edu/

This is not all that difficult.

In many American communities, families working in low-wage jobs make insufficient income to live locally given the local cost of living.

So get off their asses and get training to earn a living payable wage for a skill, not a handout.

 

[southwind]

Last time I checked, if you couldn't afford to live somewhere, you moved !