State says about 100 jobs at risk as Delta changes MSP cleaners

[WorldTraveler]

just tell us the number those carriers provided to their employees.


DL's total is well over $1.5B over the past four years. that is hardly a flash in the pants one-time event or a rounding error in the checkbooks of DL employees - and it has grown year after year.

DL doesn't do cabin cleaning and neither do other airlines. Let me know which airlines worldwide do cabin cleaning with their own employees.

why should DL do work inhouse which even unions have been unable to protect?

DL is creating mainline employee jobs by growing the airline. Thousands of new hire employees have been added over the past several years including thousands in in-flight service alone.

 

[700UW]

This isnt about PROFIT SHARING.
 
Its about DL cutting more jobs, and not returning work to its own employees, nor sharing the cost savings with its own employees.
 
The non-union employees financed their own pay raise by a 33% cut in profit sharing.
 
Stick to the topic for a change.
 
Thousands who are low paid and dont receive the same pay raises as other employees.
 
And RR hiring, with no benefits and no raises, one pay rate and thats it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

of course you don't want to talk about profit sharing. It's not hard to see why.

no, it's about a contractor cutting jobs because another contractor won a lower bid.

You can't provide the numbers regarding profit sharing for other airlines because it would be just too damning, now wouldn't it?

You can't provide the lsit of airlines that do their own airplane cleaning inhouse because it would prove your argument about Delta has no merit, right?

And where is your outrage at the continual regional jet contracts that US dumped in pursuit of one lower?

Better yet and far more importantly, where is your outrage at the job losses at UA that the IAM for employees that the IAM is supposed to be protecting?

and where is the outrage for those IAM employees at US who have been robbedyetagain because the unions fell for Parker's song and dance and now are staring at their employees with empty hands?

do the job you were paid to do and quit worrying about everyone else's world until you get your own figured out.

 

[700UW]

Its about how DL doesnt care about a company they own and employ workers, which they are cutting.
 
How many other things are you going to throw out to change and deflect the topic at hand?
 
The IAM never supported Parker nor the HP or AA merger.
 
Lets see how many other things you are going to throw out to change the topic, your last post had Five different subjects that have nothing to with Delta and people losing their jobs at MSP.

 

[WorldTraveler]

There is only one thing that matters here, 700.

it is how come you can't demonstrate the value that you claim unions provide since you are such a great recruiter for them? If they are really doing such a great job, then the evidence should be there.

You want to throw dirt everywhere you can but are unwilling to look under your own grimy fingernails.

When you can show how the IAM has provided better value than DL employees get right now, not only do you win the debates on here but you win new members.

As it is, DL employees have consistently, time after time, repeatedly turned their backs on any further unionization and walked away from the unions they had.

The IAM has no future at DL.... find another hobby... you aren't doing very well at this one.

 

[700UW]

Ok, LOL
 

 
How many other things are you going to throw out in your next post that have NOTHING to do with the original topic?

 

[swamt]

Really WT?  WOW!  That speaks volumes of your character.  Let's just farm out all jobs then...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I never said to farm out MORE JOBS, let alone all of them.

But perhaps you can tell us why WN has the highest percentage of outsourced maintenance of any of the Big 4 US Airlines - and that has been a part of their business strategy since the beginning, something you seem OK with.

WN maintenance is PRECISELY the kind of example to show that WN employees benefit from WN's high rate of outsourced maintenance... your maintenance salaries are higher than at the legacy carriers but WN mechanics do a lower percentage of WN's maintenance work.

You do realize that Gary wants to outsource more of WN's core functions like ramp in a number of cities instead of keeping that work inhouse don't you?

 

[Kev3188]

What's that you say? Gary Kelly is focused on labor as a "cost center" and not an investment or revenue generator? Shocking!

BTW, are we still talking about cabin service in MSP? That is the topic, right?

Or is this one already off the rails?

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

What's that you say? Gary Kelly is focused on labor as a "cost center" and not an investment or revenue generator? Shocking!

BTW, are we still talking about cabin service in MSP? That is the topic, right?

Or is this one already off the rails?

it's on the rails as long as it's ok for a unionized mechanic or their IAM counterpart to be unable to grasp the connection behind maintenance outsourcing at US and WN - who both exceed their counterparts at the other big US airlines- but can't see the connection with cabin cleaning.

I am still waiting for a list of carriers that do cabin cleaning in-house. Apparently the list is pretty short - or perhaps doesn't even exist - or you (collective) should be able to come up with the list pretty easily.

 

[700UW]

You are talking about money spent, not work accomplished.
 
US does more in-house overhaul then WN, UA and DL, DL farms out ALL heavy checks.
 
US doesnt farm out line mtc, AA and DL does.
 
You can spin it any way you want, bottom line is US overhauls more airframes than your beloved DL.
 
And DL uses contract mechanics at TOC, US doesnt.
 
So go off topic again, because you are losing the battle and the war.
 
And at certain stations US ramp agents clean planes.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not interested in a tangent about maintenance - it is well confirmed in data that US has provided to the DOT that they outsource a higher percentage of their maintenance spending than AA, DL, or UA.

I'm interested in the list of US airlines that do cabin cleaning in-house.

That's your only assignment. If you're, oops your, argument is about how poor DL is at outsourcing cabin cleaning, then you should be able to provide examples that show that DL is doing something that others don't.

Get on the stick and don't fail us.

I'm not talking about certain stations. I'm talking about hubs. This article is about MSP, a hub. US has a few of those things too.

 

[700UW]

Are you that thick headed?
 
US might spend more on maintenance but they dont send out more than DL, WN, or UA.
 
Is that too hard for you to understand?
 
US does more airframe in-house overhaul than DL, WN or UA.
 
So spin it any way you want, but you are not correct.
 
And I dont take assignments from you, go if you want the information go get it.
 
You are not grasping the concept.

 

[Kev3188]

 

I'm not interested in a tangent about maintenance -

...And yet you created one just the same...