Twa Seniority Lawsuit Dismissed

[L1011Ret]

You are correct about AA hiring the facilitator. Unfortunately some of your other reasoning about people's motivations borders on the psychotic, without basis in reality.

 

[BostonTerrier]

Today was a remarkable day for APFA.

[post="205044"][/post]​

Yeah.

Congratulations on being the biggest union scumbags around. So many of at other airlines watched this deplorable situation unfold in disgust. At least it's over.

 

[aafsc]

You are correct about AA hiring the facilitator. Unfortunately some of your other reasoning about people's motivations borders on the psychotic, without basis in reality.

[post="205930"][/post]​

Psychotic? When TWA rampers talking about using their TWA seniority to go to the most desirable AA cities that TWA did not even fly to (like TUS). Like TWA pilots talking about flying the 777 when TWA's biggest plane was the 767. These statements prove my point.

 

[L1011Ret]

Prove what point? You are not making much sense - if it wasen't for the TWA aircraft AA is still flying, about 1000 more pilots and 4000 F/As would be furloughed. You sound very bitter.

 

[aafsc]

Yeah.

Congratulations on being the biggest union scumbags around. So many of at other airlines watched this deplorable situation unfold in disgust. At least it's over.

[post="205945"][/post]​

Remember the warm feelings between the US and UA employees during the attempted merger? According to some UA flight attendants (posted on this site a while back), the US flight attendants would ask, on the crew bus, the UA flight attendants how much seniority a flight attendant would have to have to hold a certain trip. The US flight attendant purportedly said, "Enjoy it while you can because were coming to take it." Also, another poster said he was talking to a US narrow body pilot and this pilot told him he had every expectation of flying a UA 747-400 as a captain. So I guess you could say that all mergers, asset purchases, buyouts, etc. are deplorable situations.

 

[twasilverbullet]

Yeah.

Congratulations on being the biggest union scumbags around. So many of at other airlines watched this deplorable situation unfold in disgust. At least it's over.

[post="205945"][/post]​

BostonTerrier,
It's not over yet, but thank you for your support.

 

[IORFA]

I guess HOPE keeps you going.

 

[aafsc]

Prove what point? You are not making much sense - if it wasen't for the TWA aircraft AA is still flying, about 1000 more pilots and 4000 F/As would be furloughed. You sound very bitter.

[post="205950"][/post]​

My point was that the statements made by the TWA people about using their TWA seniority to go to AA cities (TUS) and fly AA aircraft (777) show that they fully expected to keep their full seniority (even though the labor protective provisions were removed from their contracts). As far as the former TWA aircraft AA is still flying (about 64 MD-80's and 19 757's, with the remainder of the former TWA MD-80's sitting in the desert) they were basically the F-100 replacement. If AA had not purchased the TWA assets, then the F-100s would probably still be around. As for pilots, according to an ex-TWA pilot on the SJ board ( and I think that this man was a union offical at TWA), there are about 600 ex-TWA pilots still flying for AA and another 400 retired from AA. If you subscribe to the TWA pilots with TWA aircraft theory, then 83 former TWA aircraft that AA currently operates should equal 830 TWA pilots. (83 aircraft times 5 crews per aicraft times 2 pilots per crew.) So you have 600 pilots still flying plus the 400 that retired from AA equals 1000 pilots. So we have an excess of 170 former TWA pilots. If TWA would have shut down completely, all TWA people would have been out of work and that is a capacity reduction that the industry could have used. If the TWA people kept their full seniority at AA, then the AA people would have served as a cushion for the TWA people. Yes, the TWA people would have went straight to the top of the seniority lists at the airline we built and enjoyed (at that time) the highest wages and benefits that we fought for.

 

[BostonTerrier]

So I guess you could say that all mergers, asset purchases, buyouts, etc. are deplorable situations.

[post="205952"][/post]​

No. I simply consider APFA to be a reprehensible union given their actions following the acquisition of both Reno and TWA.

As for your anecdotal stories regarding the failed merger attempt of UAIR and UA? Well, at least we can now look back and say that they were only stories which never resulted in thousands of flight attendants losing their jobs in a most unfair manner.

Regardless, I now state my feelings as a layperson without any vested interest in any airline.

Best,
BT

 

[FA Mikey]

No. I simply consider APFA to be a reprehensible union given their actions following the acquisition of both Reno and TWA.

As for your anecdotal stories regarding the failed merger attempt of UAIR and UA? Well, at least we can now look back and say that they were only stories which never resulted in thousands of flight attendants losing their jobs in a most unfair manner.

Regardless, I now state my feelings as a layperson without any vested interest in any airline.

Best,
BT

[post="205972"][/post]​

Better or worse SWA merger/acqusitions result an offer of an interview, If you are hired your seniority goes to date of acquisition. In may also be interesting to note this is one of the only industries where union workers expect to carry time from one company to another.

 

[aafsc]

Be careful what you wish for Proud......AA now has their scabs should you EVER complain about a crappy contract. The TWA f/a's should have received integration....especially after it was promised from the beginning. People in glass houses, yada yada yada. Hope this doesn't come back to bite you when the LCC's take over your airline and you get stapled.

[post="205131"][/post]​

No one should have anything to worry about as long as the AA unions don't agree to the removal of the labor protective provisions from the contracts.

 

[twasilverbullet]

Better or worse SWA merger/acqusitions result an offer of an interview, If you are hired your seniority goes to date of acquisition. In may also be interesting to note this is one of the only industries where union workers expect to carry time from one company to another.

[post="205986"][/post]​

At least any airline merger/acquisition with SWA knows what they are going up against right from the start. Unlike us where there were a lot of closed doors dirty double crossing deals going on between AA and apfa to shaft us in the butt from the very begining. They went so far and lied to congress so the deal would go thru, something that SWA would never, ever do. So, please do not compare SWA to you, they have more integrity than AA or apfa will ever know or have. SHAME ON THEM!!!!!!

If you think it's over think again, your president or anyone of you for that matter must not ever heard of the word appeal.... A-P-P-E-A-L !!!

 

[FA Mikey]

I dont agree with contract provisions like the one in the contract. I cannot believe management would agre to something that might hinder or slow a sale of the company or assests.

 

[jimntx]

No one should have anything to worry about as long as the AA unions don't agree to the removal of the labor protective provisions from the contracts.

[post="205988"][/post]​

You must be assuming that if AA is acquired, management won't come to you and say, "Well, you either have to give up this Scope clause or the deal won't go through. The company will be out of business and you will be out of a job. But, don't worry, the acquiring company's unions are going to negotiate with you."

 

[AAquila]

Psychotic? When TWA rampers talking about using their TWA seniority to go to the most desirable AA cities that TWA did not even fly to (like TUS). Like TWA pilots talking about flying the 777 when TWA's biggest plane was the 767. These statements prove my point.

[post="205949"][/post]​

Correction:
1. TWAers transfering to AA cities where TWA never operated, loose all their AA job senority.
2. Iin TWA's heyday that had close to 14 or more 747's.