Twa Seniority Lawsuit Dismissed
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galleyguy4u2
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Real UNIONS do not treat others like APFA did with the IAM. In fact APFA is not welcomed or supported by the other major AFL-CIO unions.
APFA seems more like a club or organiztion....not a true TRADE UNION.
With so few TWA f/a's. I just don't see the harm. Slotting by a ratio should not cause any harm. I believe APFA is the ONLY independant f/a union and in the long run they will suffer all by themselves...not welcomed at other MAJOR UNIONS. Shame on APFA for treating their brothers and sisters with such disdain,
I am sure the IAM will appeal and their pockets are deeper than the APFA pockets. I hope it bankrupts your Union.
In Solidarity with REAL UNIONS.
APFA seems more like a club or organiztion....not a true TRADE UNION.
With so few TWA f/a's. I just don't see the harm. Slotting by a ratio should not cause any harm. I believe APFA is the ONLY independant f/a union and in the long run they will suffer all by themselves...not welcomed at other MAJOR UNIONS. Shame on APFA for treating their brothers and sisters with such disdain,
I am sure the IAM will appeal and their pockets are deeper than the APFA pockets. I hope it bankrupts your Union.
In Solidarity with REAL UNIONS.
galleyguy4u2 said:
You forgot the PFAA, they threw out the Teamsters a few years back.
They wanted to go to the AFA, where they, and you should have been, but due to AFL-CIO affiliation they were rejected and the APFA only wanted to have AA flight attendants. So they formed a completely new union, the PFAA.
If all of you guys were in one union then you could have established a standard so workers would not have to waste so much time, effort and money fighting each other in court.
You blast the APFA for not honoring your "real union". Perhaps it was AFL-CIO arrogance and the failure of the "real unions" to support the AFA that led to that. I remember a few years back when our APFA flight attendants were picketing our "Real Union"-Appointed leader-Jim Little told us not to support the flight attendants since they were not affiliated. So in other words we should not help them get raises, but three years later he was sucking up to them so that they could tell us that "All the unions agreed to cuts".
The fact is REal Unions dont roll over and give concessions, like your IAM and our TWU do. Yea the APFA eventually voted yes, but then they democratically removed their President who misled them, over here in the "Real Union-TWU, we do not have that option.
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Just think, you could also have lost your job entirely if no one bought TWA assets at all. Everyone is having difficulty in this environment. AA is not to blame. They got the assets they wanted and the rest came along for the ride. Instead of being bitter, what, 4 years later, try moving on. This industry is not what it was and no one should kid themselves about the future.
AirDude
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Will AA furloughed F/As received the seniority over TWA F/As ?
Unless you are senior to 4/10/2001 then, no you will not go ahead of the TWA group. The 1st round of this fight between the TWA F/A's & APFA/AA was not about seniority, if you believe that is the case then you really are not paying attenton to the details of the lawsuit. I believe the next round will go to the appealate court. The real seniority issues, that APFA believes it has addressed in the Seniority Integration Agreement, will come front & center when the TWA F/A's start to be recalled....This is not over by any stretch of the imagination! Anyone declaring victory at this point could very well be disappointed.AirDude said:
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<_< Hey AirDude---- Don't count your checkens yet! This wasn't the only lawsuit out there!!!!!!AirDude said:
twasilverbullet said:
I was refering to the post that implied the TWA flight attendants would cross future AA picket lines. I was bothered that the original poster would seemed to think this would be something you all would be willing to do. My response was simply that you all had more integrity than that.
When looking back on the postings, even Kirkpatrick agreed.
Perhaps you misunderstood.
galleyguy4u2 said:
AFA-CWA is still a big ally, and publicized our press release supporting their upcoming strike vote. We will be standing beside them in DC on the 14th. The TWU local representing SWA flight attendants is also an ally to apfa. I've not seen the ostracism you are implying, unless it's happening in other industries outside of the aviation.
The only Coalition of Flight Attendant meetings we have not been invited to are the ones when the IAM was hosting. Other AFL-CIO unions still work with us.
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galleyguy4u2
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s80dude said:
Dude 80, I doupt that very much. ALL AFL-CIO unions have no regard for APFA.
If you think otherwise, you need to think twice. The largest UNION AFA has expressed their opinion to the staple job done to the TWA f/a's.
OK, you walk off your job and support the AFA f/a's in CHAOS. I want to see this. B.S. You guy's would STAPLE them in a New York minute if AMR decides to buy routes and gates from UA and US. And you would not be able to support a strike at UA or US. You are not part of their unity. Get it?
By the way your so called Union is not welcomed to the Coalition Of Flight Attendants....which by the way is represented by the largested Union AFA. Get a clue.
galleyguy4u2 said:
Didnt the AFA join the CWA because they were about to go BK?
Lets face it, we have more to gain by all sticking together than by being AFL-CIO elitists. From the E-mails I've recieved it seems that the AFA and TWU 556 welcome the support of the APFA. Too bad they dont feel the same way about the AMFA which will also support them.
In the meantime it seems that the rest of the AFL-CIO are sitting back, being non-committal at best, at worst as in the case AAmech, who is a TWU International Representative, (he must have forgotten how he mentioned to me back in August of 2002 that he made some posts on the USAIR page, I remember teasing him about the moniker) critcizes the leadership of the AFA.
Want to see what and AFL-CIO affiliated TWU International Rep has to say about the AFA?
AAmech Posted on: Nov 17 2004, 09:08 PM
There's no doubt they have more "BAWLS" than most of us, its the Brains they're lacking! With the THOUSANDS of FA's on the recall list It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the companies will terminate anyone who walks and replace them.
I think the AFA relizes how hopeless the situation is and wants to go out with a bang!
AAmech Posted on: Nov 17 2004, 09:08 PM
There's no doubt they have more "BAWLS" than most of us, its the Brains they're lacking! With the THOUSANDS of FA's on the recall list It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the companies will terminate anyone who walks and replace them.
I think the AFA relizes how hopeless the situation is and wants to go out with a bang!
AirDude
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MCI transplant said:<_< Hey AirDude---- Don't count your checkens yet! This wasn't the only lawsuit out there!!!!!!
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Sigh....
I thought this was about the seniority issue.
I have a question and this is only what I am thinking.
Let's say that TWA F/As are recalled next round,but the lawsuit is again dismissed
and AA decided that TWA F/As should go to the bottom list.What is AA going to do
with those being recalled?
Thank you
Air Dude. The lawsuit has very little to do with seniority. The SIA(Seniority Integration Agreement) crafted by APFA dictates that the TWA F/A's seniority is 4/10/2001 and that is how recalls will be handled. No one junior to that date will be put ahead of the TWA F/A's. AA has nothing else to say in the matter as this SIA was a mutual agreement between AA/APFA. Hope that helps.AirDude said:
