Tulsa Bound

[Long Term AMT]

So when is Dell gonna show up in Tulsa, at the first and second debate ?
We have so much farming out going on it looks like some guys will never make it back. We're down about half of what we used to be at NWA. AMFA was going to force the company to "cease and desist" farmouts, layoffs yadda-yadda-yadda, Well, when Dell gets around to it I guess. This wasn't supposed to happen under the AMFA watch. :huh: So What happened? Can I come to the debate and ask Dell questions? At least at the Dell controlled debate? Will he throw me out for asking him how come he doesn't walk the floor here? Or, why none of these old promises are coming true? :down:

 

[Checking it Out]

Dell is Famous for kicking members out who he does not like, In the last 4 meetings in September the numbers were well over 50. At USAIR he would not allow any of the AA potential members to talk with the USAIR Supporters. this cost him the election and is looking like it is going to follow at AA.

I will say you are more than welcome to attend the 15th meetings sponsored by the TWU.

 

[Birdman]

Gee, what a coincidence. Dumb and dumber posting within minutes of each other. So I guess if Delle showed up at the "TWU's debate" he would be tossed as well? Funny the video of the September meeting only showed ART (the I serve on the same advisory board with Sue Oliver at George Mason University) LUBY and a couple of other's asked to leave. A few more asked to leave in the other meetings were asked to attend only one meeting. Do you still get UB when your asked to leave?

 

[AMFAMAN]

CIO,

EAP can help with that talking to yourself and other issues you have. :blink:

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

To Long Term AMT,

Your website AMFANUTS is gonna be shutdown by the FBI if you don't stop putting out virus' on it. The people that go to that site better check their computer for virus infections after going there!

 

[TWU informer]

So when is Dell gonna show up in Tulsa, at the first and second debate ?
We have so much farming out going on it looks like some guys will never make it back. We're down about half of what we used to be at NWA. AMFA was going to force the company to "cease and desist" farmouts, layoffs yadda-yadda-yadda, Well, when Dell gets around to it I guess. This wasn't supposed to happen under the AMFA watch. :huh: So What happened? Can I come to the debate and ask Dell questions? At least at the Dell controlled debate? Will he throw me out for asking him how come he doesn't walk the floor here? Or, why none of these old promises are coming true? :down:

Funny, you use "Long Term AMT" as an alias and then claim outsourcing and layoffs have destroyed your job.

Ever heard of the term "oxy-moron"?

Welcome to USAviation Jerry Sowell.

 

[TonyB]

Mrs. Horton's third grade class at Heritage Elementary in Keller, TX will be sending a debate team to Tulsa to debate TEAAM TWU on January 15th.
It is expected to be a tough time for TEAAM TWU since their combined IQ is rummored to be lower than the average third grader.

 

[Rusty]

So when is Dell gonna show up in Tulsa, at the first and second debate ?
We have so much farming out going on it looks like some guys will never make it back. We're down about half of what we used to be at NWA. AMFA was going to force the company to "cease and desist" farmouts, layoffs yadda-yadda-yadda, Well, when Dell gets around to it I guess. This wasn't supposed to happen under the AMFA watch. :huh: So What happened? Can I come to the debate and ask Dell questions? At least at the Dell controlled debate? Will he throw me out for asking him how come he doesn't walk the floor here? Or, why none of these old promises are coming true? :down:

Delle was not invited to the TeamTWU debacle.

When has Sonny Hall showed up for anything here in Tulsa except for the last Christmas party??? He only showed up then to be able to say he was in Tulsa. He would not answer questions pertaining to national issues.

Jerry, most everybody here has been to amfanuts and read your spewage. When will you disgruntled, thrown out officers by the membership, understand that the membership is more important than your officer’s pay???

 

[Checking it Out]

Rusty wrote; Delle was not invited to the TeamTWU debacle


Rusty please answer this Question; When was the last time Delle worked on an Aircraft? and when was the last time he worked in our Profession?

Amfa is nothing more than a used car salesman, the association is over 40 years old and is falling apart. They talk a great talk to sell the car and it breaks down as soon as it leaves the show room floor. massive Layoffs is what they are famous for.

If they had any balls they would stop the bleeding of the work force and strike over the continued outsourcing of work at Alaska. or the obvious failures at the contract table of the 3 airlines or the last ones they settled.

This is what you have as amfa's leaders,

Delle Real Estate broker retired

McCormick (MAG) Real Estate Management firm

Seham Corporate Lawyers setting up new offices all over the country with the money that is being funneled to them.

They sell a product and return nothing, if any questions are asked the locals are billed extra to answer a question. If Kevin McCormick steps on a plane its extra. Can you see the picture?

Please explain to us what Amfa has done to preserve jobs in the Last 60 Days? Besides the 17 positions at United. flights were increased to add the extra positions just like they did at NW PDX station which was announced last year before the Arbitrator ruled.

Have a Great Day!!

 

[AMFAMAN]

CIO,

Please explain why NWA has maintenance in PDX and AA doesn't. The following are todays flight schedules.

AA




Arrivals Departures All


Sched Type Arriving/Departing Status Flt# Gate

6:29A Departure Dallas/Ft Worth,
Hartford/Spfl ON TIME 1258 D4 ---OVERNIGHT AIRCRAFT

7:36A Departure Dallas/Ft Worth,
San Antonio ON TIME 1180 D2 ----OVERNIGHT AIRCRAFT

8:46A Departure Chicago O'Hare,
Miami ON TIME 1986 D4 ----OVERNIGHT AIRCRAFT

10:11A Arrival Dallas/Ft Worth AT 10:01A 9261 D4

10:59A Arrival Chicago O'Hare AT 11:09A 1877 D2

11:00A Departure Chicago O'Hare ON TIME 9260 D4

11:41A Departure Chicago O'Hare ON TIME 436 D2

11:51A Arrival NYC/Newark,
Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 1279 D4

12:33P Departure Dallas/Ft Worth,
Boston ON TIME 696 D4

1:51P Arrival Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 487 D2

2:33P Departure Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 1702 D2

6:18P Arrival Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 1227 HOLD

8:43P Arrival Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 1241 HOLD

10:00P Arrival Chicago O'Hare ON TIME 1137 D4

10:55P Arrival Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 1149 D4

11:59P Departure Dallas/Ft Worth ON TIME 308 D4

3 OVERNIGHTS AND 8 DEPARTURES OR 2,920 DEPARTIURES A YEAR.

NWA

Sched Type Arriving/Departing Status Flt# Gate

7:05A Departure Minneapolis/St,
Detroit/Metro ON TIME 594 C17 ----OVERNIGHT AIRCRAFT

9:00A Departure Minneapolis/St,
Memphis ON TIME 592 C19 ----OVERNIGHT AIRCRAFT

11:03A Arrival Minneapolis/St,
Kansas City ON TIME 589 C17

12:25P Departure Minneapolis/St,
Kansas City ON TIME 590 C17

1:14P Arrival Minneapolis/St ON TIME 593 C17

2:30P Departure Minneapolis/St ON TIME 598 C17

6:45P Arrival Detroit/Metro,
Minneapolis/St ON TIME 595 C17

8:38P Arrival Hartford/Spfl,
Detroit/Metro ON TIME 815 C17

10:55P Arrival Minneapolis/St,
Orlando/Intl ON TIME 377 C17

3 OVERNIGHTS ON WEEKENDS/2 DURING THE WEEK AND 4 DEPARTURES, 1 SPARE. 1460 DEPARTURES A YEAR.

http://www.portlandairportpdx.com/web_pop/flights.asp

 

[Rusty]

Rusty please answer this Question; When was the last time Delle worked on an Aircraft? and when was the last time he worked in our Profession?

You will have a chance to ask Delle on the January 17th at 11:00 AM at the Brady Theater himself. Please stop by and ask him yourself!!!

If you ask me Delle works on our profession every day, promoting our Craft and Class. Take a look at the National web site and you will see projects he is involved in promoting our Craft and Class. I have communicated with him several times and have always received a timely and well thought out response. In comparison I have emailed Jim Little several times and have never received a response.

Now how about the same question about Sonny Hall and where will he be that I can ask him that same question?????????????????????????????? Will he be at the Brady Theater, Delle did invite him or will he cower to Delle??????????????

Amfa is nothing more than a used car salesman, the association is over 40 years old and is falling apart. They talk a great talk to sell the car and it breaks down as soon as it leaves the show room floor. massive Layoffs is what they are famous for.

AMFA is growing faster than the TWU is shrinking and the TWU is shrinking faster than a weed soaked in roundup. You CIO are a TWU organizer and that must really suck. How does it feel to be in such a loosing situation????

If they had any balls they would stop the bleeding of the work force and strike over the continued outsourcing of work at Alaska. or the obvious failures at the contract table of the 3 airlines or the last ones they settled.

The only reason you believe AMFA has no balls is because you cannot find a place to kick them, while we find the TWU's balls an easy target. Maybe the TWU should have sucked them up a long time ago instead of letting them blow in the wind for all to see, either that or maybe they should have gotten fixed.

This is what you have as amfa's leaders,

Delle Real Estate broker retired

McCormick (MAG) Real Estate Management firm

Seham Corporate Lawyers setting up new offices all over the country with the money that is being funneled to them.

You can make all the accusation you like CIO, it is a free country. Have you looked at the last page of the TWU's LM2???

TWU corruption
"Transportation Workers AFL-CIO formed a wholly owned subsidiary, TWU Realty Corporation on Dec 6, 2001. TWU Realty Corporation was organized exclusively to acquire and to hold title to real property to be utilized by Transport Workers AFL-CIO. One share of no par value stock was issued."

They sell a product and return nothing, if any questions are asked the locals are billed extra to answer a question. If Kevin McCormick steps on a plane its extra. Can you see the picture?

Once again CIO, the McCormick Group (a large group of people) who does the administration work for AMFA. Do you expect them to do it for free???

TWU's administrative costs are ten times AMFA's mainly because of benefits. The cars alone under the TWU administration are comparable to the entire AMFA administrative costs.

I have heard a rumor that Art Luby wanted to charge 30,000$ to debate Delle. Of course I know this is just a rumor as Art would not debate Delle for any price as his balls are hanging out there just like all the national cowards of the TWU.

Please explain to us what Amfa has done to preserve jobs in the Last 60 Days? Besides the 17 positions at United. flights were increased to add the extra positions just like they did at NW PDX station which was announced last year before the Arbitrator ruled.

Come to the debate on the 17th and your questions will be answered.

You guys did a great job of asking all the right questions at an informational meeting on Sept 17 and I would be very disappointed if you did not show up and ask more. Will the TWU pay 1.5 UB pay for Saturday?

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey CIO;

How is the TWU card drive going over at NWA? United? USAIR? Delta? SWA? Do you mean to tell me that there is NO CARD drive by any of these airline workers to go to the TWU?

Didnt the TWU file a while back over at Delta? How much did they file with? Wasn't it 35%? The overwhelming majority of Delta workers would rather stay non-union than go TWU. I wonder why? Could it be that they are better off than AA workers?

Over 59% of Title 1 has signed cards to call for an election. Of the remaining 41% who have not signed cards yet what percentage of that would you consider to be "hard core TWU"? Lets figure that 1% are shop stewards and other TWU officials. Figure another 10 to 15% are laid off.That knocks it down to 25%. Figure at least half of those who have not signed dont want any union and probably wont vote in an election. That leaves about 12 to 17%, at most, of the members who support the TWU. That means that you are in the minority.

In answer to your question, Delle currently works in this industry, his time as a union official counts as if he was in management for aircraft maint as far as the FAA is concerned. His experience and status as an A&P gives him a clearer perspective and more commonality with mechanics than Jim Little (Baggage handler, dispatcher) or Sonny Hall (Bus Driver) will ever have. And to be quite frank, since we dont know who you are we dont know if in fact you share our profession.


CIO said;This is what you have as amfa's leaders,

Delle Real Estate broker retired

McCormick (MAG) Real Estate Management firm

Seham Corporate Lawyers setting up new offices all over the country with the money that is being funneled to them.


And the members can recall Delle or vote him out of office.

The members can tell Delle to get rid of McCormick, if he refuses-see above.

The members can tell Delle to get rid of Sehamm, if he refuses, see above.

Can THE MEMBERS recall Sonny-NO

Can THE MEMBERS recall Little-NO

Who did Little hire to review the company's books?

ECLAT. The same company that AMR hired to sell concessions to the TWU International. Is that responsible?

Did the members have any say in that?

NO!

Can the members hold Little and Hall accountable within the TWU? NO THEY CAN NOT. THe only way we can hold them accountable is to fill out an AMFA or AGW card and VOTE OUT THE ENTIRE TWU!

Its their rules, they made them, not us. The members were not consented when the International removed recall from the Constitution. They left members only one way to get accountability, fill out a card for AMFA and the AGW and vote the bums out!

 

[mojo13]

Can THE MEMBERS recall Sonny-NO

Can THE MEMBERS recall Little-NO

The supreme policy-making body of the union is the International Convention which is held every four years. International officers are elected at the Convention. The International Constitution, which governs all union activities, is reviewed and amended at that time as well.

Between Conventions, the policy-making bodies of the union are the International Executive Council and International Executive Board. Division Councils meet at regular intervals to discuss and formulate policies affecting their own particular memberships.

 

[Bob Owens]

Can THE MEMBERS recall Sonny-NO

Can THE MEMBERS recall Little-NO

The supreme policy-making body of the union is the International Convention which is held every four years. International officers are elected at the Convention. The International Constitution, which governs all union activities, is reviewed and amended at that time as well.

Between Conventions, the policy-making bodies of the union are the International Executive Council and International Executive Board. Division Councils meet at regular intervals to discuss and formulate policies affecting their own particular memberships.

In other words NO and NO.

I was at the 2001 Convention. I saw what a farce it was.

Here is one brief exerpt from it;
(pg 9 Report of Proceedings 21st Constitutional Convention.)

President Hall;

"The question has been called for. All in favor of the amendment say aye. Those opposed to the amendment say aye. The ayes have it"


...cries of "Which ayes?"....


President Hall;

"Well, if you get up here, then you can decide,,,,,


In other words "Whatever I SAY". This is how Sonny Hall runs the TWU. And as members the only thing that the members can do about it is vote out the entire TWU. Members dont even have the right to know how their delegates vote!

 

[Kev3188]

Amfaman--

In regards to your comparison off AA vs. NW at PDX, NW has 2 RON's and 2 turns (4 depatures) everyday (nothing extra on the weekends).