Trump's immigration proposal
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Kev3188
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That's not what I asked, but you already know that.
Again, you act like there has never been extra scrutiny of certain nations. That's simply not true- a fact you should be well aware of given where you allegedly work...
Again, you act like there has never been extra scrutiny of certain nations. That's simply not true- a fact you should be well aware of given where you allegedly work...
townpete
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Im sorry your having a tough time trying to thread this needle.
Trump didn't say "Ban all muslims from Syria" did he?
Is there extra scrutiny? Yes of course.
But after the San Bernardino shooting, the american people demand more then "extra scrutiny".
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Unbelievable, the leftist influence is so strong here it is unreal. I did not know that unionism was so heavily democratic. Yes all muslim immigration should be immediately stopped. Right now. I do not agree that there should be a simple wall built between the US and Mexico. That would be a waste of money. Why not spend twice as much and build a prison along the border. Roughly a fifteen hundred mile long prison with lots and lots of ten by ten cells to double as a wall. That will solve the problems with illegals walking across our border and solve our over crowded prison issue. Yes I think Trump is exactly what this country needs. I just wish he were running on an independent ticket and still be as popular as he is.
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Ms Tree said:
No where in there does it say anything about the psycho whack jobs wanting to cut the heads off of infidels and forcing sharia law on all who remain.
Read a little history Tree, it's been done before.
Immigration was basically HALTED from 1924-1965.
If we have any designs on continuing to be a free nation, we better make immediate and sweeping changes to who we let in.
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http://spectator.org/articles/64891/odd-man-out-what-happened-third-shooter
Here's a moderate Muslim , an Imam, listen to what he says.
He makes perfect sense.
His Mosque removed him.
Not very tolerant are they.
Here's a moderate Muslim , an Imam, listen to what he says.
He makes perfect sense.
His Mosque removed him.
Not very tolerant are they.
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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/11/larry-kudlow-ive-changed-this-is-war-seal-the-borders-stop-the-visas/
On the money, this is war, it's time we start acting like it.
On the money, this is war, it's time we start acting like it.
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You said in the first post that "Immigration wasn't some scheme thought up to help bring In as many homeless hopeless people as we can". The words on the bottom of the Statue of LIberty would seem to contradict that. No one ever said we should let in people who wish to do us harm. The fact that immigration was stemmed before or even the fact that we put Americans of Japanese descent into prison does not make it right. Many would say those were very dark times for the US.
The changes you are advocating seem to fly in the face of what this country stands for.
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Per US Code 8 USC 1182Ms Tree said:
(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
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Exactly. That section was used by Presidents to restrict or temporarily stop immigration from certain countries during times of war, or when Carter used it to make all Iranians validate visas during the hostage crisis.Ms Tree said:
Banning based on religion does not meet the legal test. If a president used that to ban certain people carrying certain passports, it would be upheld. To my knowledge, no passport from any country identifies ones religion.
That is also only federal code, states cannot ban immigration. The supremacy clause would stop them from doing that. Just look at what happened in Texas to see that proven.
This guy has written a pretty good piece on this and put in the correct context:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/as-usual-trump-and-his-critics-are-both-over-the-top.php
"Whether it is a good idea to suspend immigration from predominantly Islamic countries is debatable on the merits. But this alternative is plainly legal, is entirely workable, requires no inquiry into any individuals religious beliefs (except to the extent that refugees cases are considered), and could be implemented tomorrow if President Obama signed the necessary proclamation.
If hysteria on both sides subsides, this approach could lead to a healthy discussion of several immigration issues. Such a discussion could start with the question, why do we need immigrants from, for example, Pakistan? Why are we better off with them than without them? What are the costs and benefits? How well have such immigrants assimilated in the recent past? How is such immigration affecting American workers?
Sadly, the immigration debate these days is dominated by voices on both sides that are hyperbolic, bordering on the hysterical."
