TO ALL EAST PILOTS II

[PA18]

All:

Please note this post and compare it with the actual outcome a few months or less from now.

The East pilots will do what they have always done.

Huff and puff; threaten and cajole; pound their chest; but in the end, they will go back to just going along with it, and looking out for themselves at the expense of any unified effort.

Jerry Glass will come up with the right amount of carrots and sweeteners to get enough East pilots to join the 517, and the check airmen, and the management pilots to eventually get a 51% "Yes" vote on a joint concessionary contract.

And any outrage will be superceded by the long-prevalent "It's All About Me" attitude that got them here in the first place. In fact, it's already happening.

The screen in the scheduling computer that shows how many pilots are on the bid sheet looking to pick up trips should be blank -- for every base, for every position, every day.

It isn't.

Look on those screens any day, and you'll see dozens of pilots trying to pick up more trips.

That's really sending 'em a message.

 

[Junebug172]

Moreover, the MEC and key pilots will not discuss their strategy, but I will tell you this. The AWA pilots have one choice: Negotiate an acceptable senioriyt list agreement with large fences or face "imposition". That's it!

Regards,

USA320Pilot[/font]

Hey idiot.

We tried to negotiate an acceptable list but you guys wanted to go to arbitration.

Now shut up.

 

[EastUS]

"Hey idiot."

Points for poise, charm and grace.

"We tried to negotiate an acceptable list but you guys wanted to go to arbitration."

Ummm..by "we"; do you mean you're personally of the Alpo West MEC persuasion that birthed this obscenity? By "you guys"; do you mean the line pilots that had nothing personally to do with it?

"Now shut up."

Points awarded for living in Cinderella's Castle. If you think an ever-so-eloquent "shut up" will offer up much of a barrier to outrage against this mess...you're in need of drug testing.

 

[Junebug172]

Ummm..by "we"; do you mean you're personally of the Alpo West MEC persuasion that birthed this obscenity? By "you guys"; do you mean the line pilots that had nothing personally to do with it?

How is it you think the west "birthed" any part of this.

Keeping projecting, we (line pilots) don't care.

You're comments are moot.

 

[CV580ETOPS]

Greeter said: "Will the abritration results be overturned?...I doubt it. Will the two airlines ever fly as one, using the list? Never happen."

USA320Pilot comments: Greeter's comments are dead-on accurate. This seniority list award will never be implemented on this property. I have an intimate understanding of the MEC's intention(s)/plan of attack, the East pilot group has enormous solidarity, and as the fluid envets unfold then MEC will take their next step(s).

Moreover, the MEC and key pilots will not discuss their strategy, but I will tell you this. The AWA pilots have one choice: Negotiate an acceptable senioriyt list agreement with large fences or face "imposition". That's it!

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Chippie....I thought you told me you stopped using crack years ago.

 

[capn scud]

The direct answer is "yes", the east knew this was a distinct possibility.

So, I'm sure the next question is, "How do you know?"

What I can tell you is that your east MC did bring up the point that DOH might not be the best method to seek for integration. Your MEC would hear nothing of it to the point where they brought in Kirch and threaten to pull him from the MC if they tried for anything less than DOH. And just to make sure, a resolution was passed stating that nothing less than DOH would be accepted.

So, against your MC's recommendations, your MEC removed any and all negotiating from the process.

We wasted quite a bit of FPL sending our members to negotiate so they could hear them talk about the virtues of DOH and how deserving the east pilots were of it.

I can tell you for a fact that it was out MC that did not want to go to arbitration, it was your MEC. Our MC wanted to complete this process without the help of a mediator. The east would hear nothing of it.

And here you are now. Seething with anger at the product of your own doing.

What could have been done differently?

Your elected representatives should have shown some leadership. With the constituency calling for DOH, it should have been made known that that road was a VERY risky one. They did not do that and instead, expectations were built.

If you look at the east's history, there is a record of perpetually stepping on the collective crank. You did it with Empire and you did it with us. You had opportunities in PIT, during negotiations, mediations, and in arbitration and you blew them all.

Just an FYI. If the east did work with us, you more than likely would have probably seen something a bit more palatable (more fences, etc.) on your side.

And as an aside, this concern about the furloughees - ask yourself where that was when UAL came calling. The only reason they mattered now was because of the "bulk" they added to the list.

You guys were cocky, condescending, and overly engrossed in an "entitlement" feeling. It blinded all of you and your leadership.

And here we are.

Junebug172:
Lemme guess, you are a 2005 hire, got awarded a decent seniority and are grasping for more. What cracks me up is punks like you who think you deserve this!
How long do you think your airline would have lasted without this merger? You guys seem to forget quickly that Parker was quoted as saying that AWA was dying and needed this to survive. How you junior folks just don't get it!

How is it you think the west "birthed" any part of this.

Keeping projecting, we (line pilots) don't care.

You're comments are moot.

Hey MORON, because without us, you were TOAST!
Now shut up and get back to your local fbo!

 

[Junebug172]

Junebug172:
Lemme guess, you are a 2005 hire, got awarded a decent seniority and are grasping for more. What cracks me up is punks like you who think you deserve this!
How long do you think your airline would have lasted without this merger? You guys seem to forget quickly that Parker was quoted as saying that AWA was dying and needed this to survive. How you junior folks just don't get it!
Hey MORON, because without us, you were TOAST!
Now shut up and get back to your local fbo!

All I know is that I'm more than likely senior to you.

Get over it.

And the only toast I smelled that was burning was yours.

Move on.

And as for the FBO, I'll be glad to knock off a few bucks on the hourly rate so that you can keep your currency.

 

[AWA320]

All I know is that I'm more than likely senior to you.

Get over it.

And the only toast I smelled that was burning was yours.

Move on.

And as for the FBO, I'll be glad to knock off a few bucks on the hourly rate so that you can keep your currency.

Hey bro that's Chip Mund the Herb Holland of the east. Consider the source...

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Hey bro that's Chip Mund the Herb Holland of the east. Consider the source...

Now don't go insulting Herb like that.

 

[AWA320]

Now don't go insulting Herb like that.

Opps they arn't twins??

 

[ClueByFour]

All:

Please note this post and compare it with the actual outcome a few months or less from now.

Take a look at the results of the prognostications about what Nicolau might do.

And open a beer and the popcorn.

 

[capn scud]

All I know is that I'm more than likely senior to you.

Get over it.

All of 2 years, you must be proud! Congrats. Maybe something to tell your illigetimate kids about!

And the only toast I smelled that was burning was yours.

Move on.

I'm sorry, I don't speak retardese, could you rephrase it on a college level? Oh that's right, you work for awa, no college required!

And as for the FBO, I'll be glad to knock off a few bucks on the hourly rate so that you can keep your currency.

Thanks, I'll remember that when I need someone to wash my car and mow my grass!

 

[EastUS]

"Junebug172:
Lemme guess, you are a 2005 hire, got awarded a decent seniority and are grasping for more."

"All I know is that I'm more than likely senior to you."

"Get over it."

"And the only toast I smelled that was burning was yours."

"Move on."

"And as for the FBO, I'll be glad to knock off a few bucks on the hourly rate so that you can keep your currency."

Ummm..you're actually crowing over being "senior" to someone with many times your flight hours?..and you've been flying an airliner for two, count'em (2) years?

Words fail me...Under the Nic "Award": Can I request, for the right seat; a bag of sand that can't do any harm, wouldn't make for a toxic work enviornment, and doesn't require babysitting instead?

 

[PITbull]

But arbitration is like putting blind faith and hoping for an outcome in your favor.

This was not Vegas, and there was no blind faith....only the belief that the arbitrator would try and make both groups equally unhappy.

Had this been a Baseball arbitration, members of one team would have been told they had to sit on the bench for the rest of their careers....NOT a result any team could or would have ever expected from a just man.

Like that example, this decision was outside the bounds of logic, and somehow thrown like a hot, burning bag of s..t on ALPA's doorstep, as the last how-do-you-do from a man who obviously never met an airline pilot he liked.

Will the abritration results be overturned?...I doubt it. Will the two airlines ever fly as one, using the list?

Never happen.

Greeter.

As always, your post is insightful, and THE reality.

Besides this horrific issue before the East pilots, all of you have to watch each others backs with management. They will be looking for any excuse to discipline and terminate the East to balance the equation.

 

[smoot4208]

Junebug: A Fact you should know!

Parker lied about how much time AWA had left to survive!

Its a given fact that AWA would have ben gone BEFORE US would have, so technically, we saved your a*s