This, For The If-you-don't-like-it, Leave Guys

[USFlyer]

And that is your own fault as you made the choice not you work in a union shop.

And, the reason you keep getting screwed is because you work in a union shop. If US could layoff out of seniority order, for example, your labor costs would be much more in line with where they should be. But, since they can't, everyone needs to take cuts to support a more senior workforce. So your statement swings both ways.

 

[700UW]

And, the reason you keep getting screwed is because you work in a union shop. If US could layoff out of seniority order, for example, your labor costs would be much more in line with where they should be. But, since they can't, everyone needs to take cuts to support a more senior workforce. So your statement swings both ways.

And if you believe that I have a bridge for Brooklyn for sale just for you or beachfront property in AZ.

Even when certain groups at US were non-union the layoffs were always last hired-first fired.

Go ask the any customer service agent or ramp agent about what happened to them in 1992 when they were non-union.

Once again you speak on matters that you have no clue about.

Did Unions do this?

Colodny’s Blunders:

· Mirror Image, imposing US Air’s business methods upon Piedmont and PSA, instead of looking at each respective airline and adapting their successful practices. Some examples would be dismantling of the Piedmont Shuttle which accounted for 32% of Piedmont’s Gross Revenue.

· Not furthering International Service and canceling the last three 767s on order from Boeing, then realizing how much money was made serving international destinations and paying Boeing a $30 million penalty to reorder the three planes.

Schofield’s Blunders:

· Business select, $50 million on wasted seats that never worked properly and we eventually removed from the 737-200 fleet. Operation Highground.

· The IAM Mechanic and Related Strike of 1992 in which US Air lost $35 million and agreeing to pay all the pilots during our strike regardless if they flew or not.

· The hiring of Joe Gorman from United Airlines. Gorman stayed a few months then went right back to United, then United started taking us on head to head in numerous markets where we did not compete before Gorman’s tenure.

· The alliance with British Airways to infuse quick cash, but not on favorable terms to US Air, BA got more out of the alliance then we did.

Wolf and Gangwal:

· Canceling all the Boeing orders and having to pay a substantial penalty to Boeing to this day the dollar amount is not known as it was a confidential out of court settlement after Boeing sued US Airways, but it is believed to be hundreds of millions of dollars.

· Closing of three maintenance bases and trying to accomplish all the work in just three bases, which caused a backlog of airplanes awaiting “Q†and “C†checks and Mod visits. At one point you could see numerous airplanes parked in Charlotte, Pittsburgh and Tampa awaiting maintenance.

· Buying back over $1.5 billon of US Airways stock instead of using the money as operating capital or paying down debt or just having it around for a downturn.

· Selling the company to United Airlines and then for the next 14 months having no direction and running the company into the ground.

· Overreacting to the September 11th tragedy and shrinking the airline by 23% and increasing costs by putting larger airplanes on shorter routes.

And that does not even include the Siegel Saga!

 

[pitguy]

USFlyer,

What is your stake in U? Do you have any stake in what the outcome of U is? Why do you care whether the employees vote 'no' or even vote at all?

 

[diogenes]

700 and cav,

I truly appreciate how you guys have my back - thank you.

A thought, going forward.

I have followed the good Captain's advice. He has said, if you don't like his posts, ignore them. I do. For a myriad of reasons, not the least of which, he has become a one trick pony, and contributes nothing new. But as the saying goes, I will defend, with my dying breath (perhaps not quite THAT far!) his right to speak out.

Also, I feel no need to debate him. Everybody already knows what he's going to say, anyway. And, he inflicts a greater blow to his credibility than I am capable of.

JM2C

Solidarity Forever!

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways has let it's unions know the company's financial condition, the competitive threat, and the loan guarantee requirements. Moreover, the company told the SEC that a "judicial restructuring" could occur and management has hired the Seabury Group and FTI Consulting as bankruptcy financial advisors; as well as the law firm of Arnold and Porter as legal advisors to the airline.

For those who contest this point I suggest you talk with your union board members or for those not represented by a union ask the supervisor in your department.

I believe the majority of the unions will approve new labor accords and for the one's who do not they will have to face bankruptcy without a S.1113 letter. In addition, David Bronner has said the restructuring will move forward "with or without employees" and I believe the man.

Therefore, it appears from Bronner's comments that either employees participate in the new business plan or they could be eliminated by the process. Thus, it's our choice on whether or not we want to participate or be eliminated.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Diogenes,

For the record good post at beginning of the tread and I back you. Everybody has a right to do what they feel right. If that means voting no so be it.

For the record has anyone been crass enough to tell the yes voters to not sell out the no voters? Not to give in to company demands for more concessions or to just quit and leave? I sure have not read it

There are a scared bunch of employees on here thats for sure.

 

[700UW]

Got anything new?

We have read the same post from you dozens of times.

 

[USFlyer]

USFlyer,

What is your stake in U? Do you have any stake in what the outcome of U is? Why do you care whether the employees vote 'no' or even vote at all?

Woah, please read my posts before responding with totally unrelated questions. I merely questioned 700UW's comments, nothing more. I could care less how you vote. It's your job, your life and your choice, not mine. At least you have a choice, as I never got one.

And, 700UW, I don't care how non-union folks at US were laid off. I can tell you first hand most companies DO NOT lay off "last hired, first fired". The only time they do that is with hourly staff where everyone more or less does the same thing (such as with Administrative Assistants). With professional staff, a company needs to layoff at all levels OR demote people. Generally, demoting people doesn't work, so companies layoff at all levels.

Regardless, again, I really don't care how you vote. I know lots of US employees and know each of them will do what they need to do.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

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DO TOO EXCESS FLOODING AND SPAMMING

A320 you have serious issues

How many times can you post the same garbage? No debating what other employees are saying just the same old garbage over and over.

Are you sure you are not really a no voter put in here to ad nauseum the yes voters to vote no?

I am dead serious about that because if there are voters still on the fence they surely ready to jump to the no side after reading your posts.

 

[700UW]

And, 700UW, I don't care how non-union folks at US were laid off. I can tell you first hand most companies DO NOT lay off "last hired, first fired". The only time they do that is with hourly staff where everyone more or less does the same thing (such as with Administrative Assistants). With professional staff, a company needs to layoff at all levels OR demote people. Generally, demoting people doesn't work, so companies layoff at all levels.

Well duh!

Everyone in each respective classification does the same thing!

 

[USFlyer]

Well duh!

Everyone in each respective classification does the same thing!

Oy, whatever!

Time for a drink or two or ten.

 

[pitguy]

Fair enough USFlyer. Thanks for the reply.

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USA320Pilot we all know the deal here and everyone has to do what everyone has to do. See you on the other side. No need for another panic attack.

 

[USFlyer]

And never forget, it's only a job ... there's hopefully a lot more to life than US Airways.

 

[to much time to quit]

Stop the TORTURE!! :down: Your ramblings are killing us. No matter how much you whine and cry, me and many others will not quit . I still have one more NO VOTE to cast!

 

[mweiss]

Did you ever think people like working in aviation?

Absolutely. And this has been the essence of my point all along. Of course people like working in aviation. As I mentioned elsewhere, the love of the industry is what keeps people working in it, even when the wages become substandard and the benefits disappear. And, as I also mentioned, this mirrors in many ways what happens in show business.

But this means that, on balance, things aren't so bad that you really want to leave. And that means that, on balance, you aren't underpaid.

You know what? I know that I was overpaid in my last two or three jobs, because I know I would have done it for less...because I loved what I did.

And you never really did answer to the first post.

You mean whether the behavior is rational? Or something else. I thought I was answering, so if I missed a key point, please call it out to me.