ITRADE
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Just goes to show you that it does not take too much investigation to see past the self-serving, disinformative bull**** of some on this board.
The VP Count
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The VP page is back on the website. I count 29.
http://www.usairways.com/about/corporate/p...ation/index.htm
http://www.usairways.com/about/corporate/p...ation/index.htm
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Southwest, if you count the officers with "senior" or "executive" in front of their VP title has 25 VPs. They have made money for like 30 consecutive years.
VP count, ergo, seems to have very little to do with success or failure.
VP count, ergo, seems to have very little to do with success or failure.
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Upper middle class in D.C. would probably be at around $100 - $115K a year.
Given that there are so MANY attorneys in DC - the ones at the heavy duty law firms make $115 to start - as well as double income families, the income levels required to maintain decent housing are astronomical.
Given that there are so MANY attorneys in DC - the ones at the heavy duty law firms make $115 to start - as well as double income families, the income levels required to maintain decent housing are astronomical.
Citing the number of VPs is a pointless exercise. My company has approx. 230 VPs for 6500 employees. US is a complex organization with many departments. Also, not every VP is rolling in loot. Some make "upper middle class" incomes which, in the DC metro area, don''t go all that far.
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On 6/19/2003 2:18:20 PM ClueByFour wrote:
Southwest, if you count the officers with "senior" or "executive" in front of their VP title has 25 VPs. They have made money for like 30 consecutive years.
VP count, ergo, seems to have very little to do with success or failure.
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On 6/19/2003 2:18:20 PM ClueByFour wrote:
Southwest, if you count the officers with "senior" or "executive" in front of their VP title has 25 VPs. They have made money for like 30 consecutive years.
VP count, ergo, seems to have very little to do with success or failure.
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I agree completely that the count of VPs has little to do with success or failure. An interesting point that Joe B made last week -- what do Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran all have in common? Two things: they''re making money and they all have a simple, logical fare structure with reasonably priced walk-up fares. None of the other pixie dust generally credited for LCC success is common to the three...
Anyhow -- I posted the VP link because I was wondering if, perhaps, there have been any changes in the time that the list was gone. None of my personal favorites have departed but I don''t track them all.
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On 6/19/2003 4:36:31 PM USFlyer wrote:
Citing the number of VPs is a pointless exercise. My company has approx. 230 VPs for 6500 employees. US is a complex organization with many departments. Also, not every VP is rolling in loot. Some make "upper middle class" incomes which, in the DC metro area, don't go all that far.
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On 6/19/2003 4:36:31 PM USFlyer wrote:
Citing the number of VPs is a pointless exercise. My company has approx. 230 VPs for 6500 employees. US is a complex organization with many departments. Also, not every VP is rolling in loot. Some make "upper middle class" incomes which, in the DC metro area, don't go all that far.
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USflyer,
That comes to a ratio of approx. 28 employees to 1 VP. This is typical of what is wrong in Corporate America today.
It's not a matter of how many VPs there are in a company....rarely, they have any real operational use, IMO. Usually in Corporations such as U, there are so many Directors and Managers under them, that the VP gets to sit back and watch others to THE job. The main issue I have with U, is there has been a significant amount of job losses and employee reductions among the "rank and file" and no slight or moderate reduction in VP personnel...Why?
Lets see the IAM has around 500,000 active and retired members and we have seven General Vice Presidents.
US Airways has 29,000 employees and 29 Vice Presidents.
So Clue, I think you need to get a clue.
You can get any unions LM-2 by going to www.dol.gov look up Landrum-Grifith Act and follow the links.
US Airways has 29,000 employees and 29 Vice Presidents.
So Clue, I think you need to get a clue.
You can get any unions LM-2 by going to www.dol.gov look up Landrum-Grifith Act and follow the links.
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On 6/20/2003 12
00 PM PITbull wrote:
That comes to a ratio of approx. 28 employees to 1 VP. This is typical of what is wrong in Corporate America today.
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On 6/20/2003 12
00 PM PITbull wrote: That comes to a ratio of approx. 28 employees to 1 VP. This is typical of what is wrong in Corporate America today.
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VPs _are_ employees. In most workplaces, absent the small minority that remain unionized to the hilt, a VP might be just another guy in a cubicle. They are not mutants that hatch.
The VP count is a rallying cry for the "unionists." Look at the "executive bloat" in the IAM, AFA, and ALPA--how is that any different than 29 VPs? I guess my point is that: tred lightly blasting the corporate structure of the company you work for, lest someone point out how many people are freeloading on your dues dime (I can post the link to the LM-2 for any union on the US property, if anyone is interested).
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On 6/20/2003 1:48:27 PM ClueByFour wrote:
VPs _are_ employees. In most workplaces, absent the small minority that remain unionized to the hilt, a VP might be just another guy in a cubicle. They are not mutants that hatch.
The VP count is a rallying cry for the "unionists." Look at the "executive bloat" in the IAM, AFA, and ALPA--how is that any different than 29 VPs? I guess my point is that: tred lightly blasting the corporate structure of the company you work for, lest someone point out how many people are freeloading on your dues dime (I can post the link to the LM-2 for any union on the US property, if anyone is interested).
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On 6/20/2003 1:48:27 PM ClueByFour wrote:
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On 6/20/2003 1200 PM PITbull wrote:
That comes to a ratio of approx. 28 employees to 1 VP. This is typical of what is wrong in Corporate America today.
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On 6/20/2003 12
00 PM PITbull wrote: That comes to a ratio of approx. 28 employees to 1 VP. This is typical of what is wrong in Corporate America today.
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VPs _are_ employees. In most workplaces, absent the small minority that remain unionized to the hilt, a VP might be just another guy in a cubicle. They are not mutants that hatch.
The VP count is a rallying cry for the "unionists." Look at the "executive bloat" in the IAM, AFA, and ALPA--how is that any different than 29 VPs? I guess my point is that: tred lightly blasting the corporate structure of the company you work for, lest someone point out how many people are freeloading on your dues dime (I can post the link to the LM-2 for any union on the US property, if anyone is interested).
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Clue,
Better yet, place the present structure of AFA....please do and whos sits in what positions. We have cut everyway we could, along with committees gone, and much less attorneys than we had. In PIT base alone, there were 5 officers....we now have 1 1/2 officers who get paid FPL, and the one is paid by the company. The rest come in as VOLUNTEERS! So, go ahead. Show me please what the hell you speak of if you are going to make comparisons.
PIT BASE:
EAP: works FREE
HOTEL: Works FREE
LEGILATIVE: Works FREE
SAFETY: Works FREE
BENEFITS: Works FREE
2 Council Reps: Work FREE
SEC/TREAS: OUT ON FURLOUGH
VICE Pres: Works 5 days paid, 7 days unpaid. 105 op. flyer (comes in on days he flies (red eyes) and then takes over at 10 a.m. and works ALL day in the office) even on the days he is NOT paid.
PRES: FULL TIME Flight Pay Loss Paid by Company (contract) NO UNION DUES!
Please show me where WE AS A UNION HAVE NOT CUT! Most union work is NOW on a Voluntary basis....does management volunteer?
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