How to remove ALPA from both the East & West property

[A320 Driver]

Exactly! I will most likey vote to keep ALPA purely out of spite for the east actions, but given different circumstances I would vote for alternate representation.

I just can't wait to not have to pay dues anymore after east removes ALPA (more on that later). BTW, I have a question for anyone. If east suceeds in removing ALPA and eventually forms an in-house Union won't PHX then have the most roll call votes out of all the bases? So, if for example PHX and CLT wanted to take control of matters and put an end to this chaos, could that actually occur?

I think we need to eliminate base representation. I propose that blocks of the seniority list each get a rep so the entire list is represented from top to bottom. Some of these bases have become festering hives of discontent and only serve themselves.

A320 Driver B)

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[USA320Pilot]

Do not be surprised if the East pilots file a lawsuit over the Nicolau Award in the not-to-distant future. The East pilot actions to eliminate the effect of the Nicolau Award are about to dramatically intensify.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

First of all the Union holds the right to sue over the award or not, not individual pilots.

You all have given ALPA power of attorney in regard to the arbitration case.

And it would be thrown out of court as you have no basis, you all agreed to arbitation, your own EC won't throw it out and they have consulted with their lawyers.

I hope you are ready to pay up, as law firms and union campaigns are not cheap.

Wonder what your wife will say about you spending the money foolishly?

Is there something you dont understand about the meaning of BINDING arbitration?

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

AWESOME More entertainment for the history books. This is better than any episode of Jerry Springer :jerry:

More money wasted on a lost cause. Get ready for some heft assessments because ALPA National will make damn certain no dues money is used for this purpose. You guys are your own worst enemy. All we have to do is sit back and watch the self-destruction.

Do not be surprised if the East pilots file a lawsuit over the Nicolau Award in the not-to-distant future.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[twoturnin]

the MEC control over the pilot group--EAST---hopefully will be over and not too soon for this "household"---(CIC has had it with MEC)---was talking to 35yr + wrenchbenders in a Florida base other day and in "their" minds the MEC and their secret dealings/selfserving voting and NOT letting the pilot group as a whole vote(EAST) on issues has been their undoing--if I vote to cut my own throat so be it---I sure hate it when someone else does it for me.

 

[Phoenix]

the MEC and their secret dealings/selfserving voting and NOT letting the pilot group as a whole vote(EAST) on issues has been their undoing--if I vote to cut my own throat so be it---I sure hate it when someone else does it for me.

Are you talking about the pension? :blink:

 

[A320 Driver]

AWESOME More entertainment for the history books. This is better than any episode of Jerry Springer :jerry:

More money wasted on a lost cause. Get ready for some heft assessments because ALPA National will make damn certain no dues money is used for this purpose. You guys are your own worst enemy. All we have to do is sit back and watch the self-destruction.

The East pilot group has between 1/2 and 3/4 of a million dollars a month to spend. Many have already stopped dues check off. They don't intend to send any more money to ALPA National.

Just telling you what's happening.

A320 Driver B)

It's great to be 700UW FREE!!!!

 

[hp_fa]

Do not be surprised if the East pilots file a lawsuit over the Nicolau Award in the not-to-distant future. The East pilot actions to eliminate the effect of the Nicolau Award are about to dramatically intensify.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

The legal basis of the Complaint and the factual basis utilized in the Complaint should be fascinating reading.

 

[AWA320]

You sound like a very frustrated person. Why does it bother you so much that the East pilots are going to change Unions? Nobody is going to "burn the damn place to the ground". Nearly all of the East pilots want the company to succeed, but they want new representation. It will happen, and USAirways will still be here.
Relax.

A320 Driver B)

I am relaxed, very relaxed! I, (WE) are just tired of all the east demanding or else comments! You guys can have whom ever you want to represent your interests, just don't ask us to support you or some new union because we won't.

 

[A320 Driver]

I am relaxed, very relaxed! I, (WE) are just tired of all the east demanding or else comments! You guys can have whom ever you want to represent your interests, just don't ask us to support you or some new union because we won't.

I doubt seriously if you will be asked for anything. No one needs anything from you. These comments can't hurt you.

Breath in...breath out...relax.



A320 Driver B)

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

So the guys who have stopped dues check off are now sending a check every month to some other entity who is depositing the money in an account to be used for attorneys (probably need a team of them) and organizational drive/effort? Is that what you are saying is "happening" over there. Or, are pilots simply stopping dues check off, which results in bad standing status and prevents any of them from voting on anything ALPA related?

The East pilot group has between 1/2 and 3/4 of a million dollars a month to spend. Many have already stopped dues check off. They don't intend to send any more money to ALPA National.

Just telling you what's happening.

A320 Driver B)

It's great to be 700UW FREE!!!!

 

[A320 Driver]

So the guys who have stopped dues check off are now sending a check every month to some other entity who is depositing the money in an account to be used for attorneys (probably need a team of them) and organizational drive/effort? Is that what you are saying is "happening" over there. Or, are pilots simply stopping dues check off, which results in bad standing status and prevents any of them from voting on anything ALPA related?

I never said they were sending money anywhere, but many don't intend to send it to ALPA much longer. Most will stay in good standing as long as there is a benefit. My point was and is, that money is not an issue in any organized effort to throw ALPA off the East property.


A320 Driver B)

 

[twoturnin]

NAW Phoenix----just the last 18 yrs of MEC closed sessions/recall votes and generally doing absolutely nothing but harm for this household.

 

[javaboy]

First of all the Union holds the right to sue over the award or not, not individual pilots.

You all have given ALPA power of attorney in regard to the arbitration case.

And it would be thrown out of court as you have no basis, you all agreed to arbitation, your own EC won't throw it out and they have consulted with their lawyers.

I hope you are ready to pay up, as law firms and union campaigns are not cheap.

Wonder what your wife will say about you spending the money foolishly?

Is there something you dont understand about the meaning of BINDING arbitration?

It is, in fact, very difficult to challenge any "binding arbitration" ruling. there are specific grounds for this.
in this particular case should a past history of the arbitrator not have been revealed that proves an association with either party would nullify it ( i do not believe this is the case) or if the data used was in question, which could be. as evidenced in his ruling it is clear that one "group" of pilots were not even considered, this alone would provide a legal avenue for pursuit, subsequently if proved, it would automatically invalidate the list. also by the same token anyone within that group (individual or en mass) could commence a lawsuit to challenge. I think the question would be could the "east" union file this suit on the behalf or one or more pilots from that group.

 

[Bob Owens]

You have a great chance of not being represented by any union and therefore have no CBA and be subject to whatever the company wants and become employees at will.

In all the cases where an upstart challenger union filed for an election how many times has the result been "no union"? Isnt "great" an exaggeration and one that incumbant unions that are doing a lousy job use to discourage having the members hold them accountable? It seems to me that instead of trying to fix what is wrong these unions simply try to use fear, basically they are saying "accept our incompetance or it could be worse' instead of "what can we do to make things better".

Or, are pilots simply stopping dues check off, which results in bad standing status and prevents any of them from voting on anything ALPA related?

Stopping dues checkoff shouldnt put you in bad standing, you can stop checkoff and still pay dues.