How to remove ALPA from both the East & West property

[700UW]

If you can get in touch with them, the NMB will mail their ballot to their last known address that US Airways provides them.

Same goes for trying to get them to sign a card before an election is ever called for.

Think Tempe has their current address? LOL!

 

[USA320Pilot]

Dear Captain Prater:

After watching your video on the AAA-AWA Merger I now believe the best option for the AAA pilots to "throw ALPA off of both the AAA & AWA property". Jack Stephan's is a man of character and integrity and when he said, "I am disappointed with some of the miss-characterizations of our position as laid out by Captain Prater. I am even more upset with what was omitted with respect to our position regarding the Nicolau award. As I have repeatedly said, this is not just the case of the US Airways pilots not liking what they got. This is a case of our indignation over the fact that critical elements of ALPA Merger Policy were violated," well that is all I need!

After watching Captain Prater’s Video and listening to Captain Stephan’s chairman’s message I believe the best option for the entire pilot group to decertify ALPA.

At this point dumping ALPA will not only solve the Nicolau Award problem it could permit the East pilots to obtain a pay rasie and new contract sooner.

The benefits are:

1. Eliminate ALPA Merger Policy.
2. Gain control of a union for both the US Airways & America West pilots.
3. Permit the US Airways MEC to negotiate a pay raise outside of JNC talks.
4. Obtain a new comprehensive contract sooner once the Nicolau Award problem has been handled, otherwise, the only other option left is not agree to a JNC TA.

I believe the major benefit if this approach is that the East pilots will dominate future negotiations and create its own de-facto fences. One area to watch out for is an immediate effort to get a JNC TA by the AWA MEC and Doug parker before the East pilots get a chance to oust ALPA -- that's Parker's only move

Again, I believe the best option for the US Airways pilots is to kick ALPA off of both the US Airways and America West properties. Dump ALPA Now! Let the process begin.

For more information click here.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

Like he cares what you think?

You have never met a concession you did not like.

 

[Phoenix]

If you can get in touch with them, the NMB will mail their ballot to their last known address that US Airways provides them.

Think Tempe has their current address? LOL!

Hello, all the furloughees have been contacted for recall. As shiiitty as the job is, one does not at least keep their contact information accurate so they can have the option of returning if their current job fell through and... perish the thought... Burger King also stopped hiring.

Since all the furloughees have been contacted then, yes, I would tend to think that all the furloughees would be voting. And I can't imagine why they would keep ALPA.

So how did the pilots screw you that you always have an axe to grind?

 

[700UW]

No axe to grind, just telling it like it is.

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW,

Your comments are off base. Do you honestly believe anybody likes a pay cut? When you write nonsense like your post above you truly show your stupidity.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

Well apparently you did since you were the #1 cheerleader for concessions with your e-mails, posts and false fact filled editorial to the Charlotte Observer.

Your word means nothing, you threatened to burn down US Airways when your MEC gave up your pension, you had hate filled posts towards Siegel and a few days later you were his #1 cheerleader again.

Go to the Orthopedist and see if he can transplant a backbone.

All you are doing is posting rhetoric, your MEC and Merger Committee failed, but you should be used to that fact.

 

[CaptainZitface]

Since all the furloughees have been contacted then, yes, I would tend to think that all the furloughees would be voting. And I can't imagine why they would keep ALPA.

I know that facts don't have a place on this board, but as stated before...furloughees CANNOT vote, unless they are still employed with LCC in some capacity.....so neither a U furloughee flying for JB, Republic or Fast Eddie's Charter Service nor a furloughee working as a realtor, brain surgeon, etc. will be allowed to vote.

From the NMB Representation Manual:

NMB Representation Manual

9.2. Eligibility.

All individuals working regularly in the craft or class on and after the cut-off date are eligible to vote in an NMB representation election. Employees may not vote in more than one election at the same time

9.204 Furloughed Employees

Furloughed employees are eligible to vote in the craft or class in which they last worked if they retain an employee-employer relationship and have a reasonable expectation of returning to work. Furloughed employees regularly working in another craft or class are ineligible to vote in the craft or class from which the employees are furloughed.

 

[700UW]

Wrong the NMB ruled that all furloughed Mechanics and Utility were eligble to vote in the IAM/IBT representational dispute as they had recall rights and the expectation of return.

And since US is in the process of recalling pilots, that would fit the description of an expectation of returning to work.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[ussnark]

Did you guys read anything that was published? The actual Nic award, transcripts, anything other than your MECs rhetoric?

DOH does not equal LOS and to say it does reveals your ingnorance of the topic.

Yes, we do read. That is why there are questions, especially when comparing statements by the parties and attempting to compare/contrast those comments with ALPA Merger Policy.

Simply picking out those parts of the comments that happen to comply with your preconceived notions does not, in fact, bolster your argument, but weakens it.

I ask for your opinion, a definite notmyMEC opinion, and you accuse me of not reading immediate players comments?

It is you, sir, who is too stupid for words.

BTW, with the exception of the furloughees, DOH does equal LOS. By using "relative position", the Nic basically and virtually, gave furlough status to every east pilot not in the top 500. He said that not only is your DOH unimportant but he denigrates the LOS by varying degrees (depending on their relative position) of some 2700 pilots in favor of the west pilots.

P.S. I would think that someone who tosses around words like "ignorance",

ignorance |ˈignərəns|
noun
lack of knowledge or information,

that the user, that be you little boy, would at least know how to spell the word, especially a word that is concerned with knowledge.

 

[CaptainZitface]

Wrong the NMB ruled that all furloughed Mechanics and Utility were eligble to vote in the IAM/IBT representational dispute as they had recall rights and the expectation of return.

And since US is in the process of recalling pilots, that would fit the description of an expectation of returning to work.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

Apples and oranges, my friend. The AIM and IBT were already on property as bargaining agent for the respective pilot groups when the merger was announced. The merger section in the representation manual provides the procedures to be used in cases like that.

Both pilot groups are ALPA. We're talking about replacing bargaining agent here, not which agent will be the surviving one. The procedures are the same as if you would vote for initial union representation, and those procedures state that furloughees cannot vote, as referenced in my previous post.

Not that it matters. The East will try regardless, so we'll find out one way or another who's right.

 

[700UW]

No it is not apples and oranges.

If a furloughee has the expectation of return the NMB will rule in their favor for them to be eligble to vote.

The procedures are not the same to replace a union than a newly organized group, to replace a union you need 50%+1 of eligble voters to sign cards to call for a vote, for an unorganized group you only need 35% of cards signed to call for an election.

How many union campaigns have you been involved with?

I have been involved with many including the largest ever win in the Airline Industry.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[A320 Driver]

No it is not apples and oranges.

If a furloughee has the expectation of return the NMB will rule in their favor for them to be eligble to vote.

The procedures are not the same to replace a union than a newly organized group, to replace a union you need 50%+1 of eligble voters to sign cards to call for a vote, for an unorganized group you only need 35% of cards signed to call for an election.

How many union campaigns have you been involved with?

I have been involved with many including the largest ever win in the Airline Industry.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

For Goodness Sakes, let's all put 700UW on the ignore list so we can have a descent conversation/debate without miles of endless rhetoric.

A320 Driver <_<

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

Exactly! I will most likey vote to keep ALPA purely out of spite for the east actions, but given different circumstances I would vote for alternate representation.

I just can't wait to not have to pay dues anymore after east removes ALPA (more on that later). BTW, I have a question for anyone. If east suceeds in removing ALPA and eventually forms an in-house Union won't PHX then have the most roll call votes out of all the bases? So, if for example PHX and CLT wanted to take control of matters and put an end to this chaos, could that actually occur?

Who cares?

 

[700UW]

It is not rhetoric it is facts, if you want rhetoric, read your fellow pilot's posts, especially usa320pilot.

Please show me where in that post you are quoting where there is rhetortic?

Oh wait, you cant, cause it is all factual.