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On 6/1/2003 1:05:32 AM j7915 wrote:
Why does AA require that only pilots or like certified pilots from other airlines do run-up/taxi when there are paxs on board? That would not have something to do with safety , would it? Yet when there are AA mechs on board there is no such limitation. As I said apparently we don''t count. As the pilot''s contract is more secret than anything homeland security cooks up I suppose that you may be right. However doing run-up is no more a pilot''s job exclusively than it is a mech''s. How many times have you gone out on a run-up even when there was no real need for your presence? I a finally got bored and had one ear ache too many and begun to stay in the hangar.
My point is of course that given the above, the pilots should demand that all run-ups be done by them only, not farmed out in house to lesser paid individuals.
Where did I ever said that I hate welders? I can''t weld worth a damn, and could not earn a cup of cafe doing it. My point is that YOU hate anyone who''s job can''t be justified at the A&p rate and whose position is therefore not contracted out at whatever the company can negotiate.
If you feel like a monkey then be my guest. As I said, you and RV4 should start reading between the lines, or you are going to trip over every glib propaganda line they throw at you, if you keep taking words literal.
See the FAQ about the RTW legislation on the OKDoL web site. It says in so many words that any contract negotiated after September 25, 2001, shall not require membership in a union. Now how many people in TULE would pay $700+ a year to be represented by any union? I know RLA protects us, so far.
You might stop refering to anyone and everyone you don''t agree with as socialist, pinko, communist etc. If my writing strikes you as communist then you have obviously never met any.
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No I do not hate mechanic and related who do not earn A&P wages. If I hate anthing it is the loss of democracy that the TWU breeds. That the mechanic and related have to fund the other ground workers at the expense of their signature and responsibility. The big peice of the pie that the company throughs out at negotiations is always in the favor of the fleet service. Even under the TWU concessions that we must endure now, the mechanic and related took a larger concession than fleet service. Fleet Service has it''s own responsibilities and can negotiate for themselves. They do not need the mechanics help.
As for RTW, Randy McDonald and your beloved TWU has done more in Oklahoma and throughout this country to lower wages.
Your union, the TWU has origins connected to the communists. Therefore the Constitution of the TWU is based on their Socialists theory.
On 6/1/2003 1:05:32 AM j7915 wrote:
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On 6/1/2003 12:23:44 AM Buck wrote:
The SRP/OSM program of Farming Out mechanic and related work within AA''s own facility is the same as farming it outside of that facility. If that work was to be accomplished at a lower cost outside of the facility AA would do so. Taxiing of aircraft has nothing to do farming out work. To taxi an aircraft with mechanics on board is part of their job. With passengers on board it becomes the pilots work. But the APA is not part of your beloved AFL-CIO so they must be monkeys also, just like you indicated the those card signers are. The APA formed it''s own union. YOu must not be a TWU man because if you hate welders and facility maintenance, you must hate stock clerks and fleet service also. You must be a company man.
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On 6/1/2003 12:23:44 AM Buck wrote:
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On 5/31/2003 10:01:29 PM j7915 wrote:
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On 5/31/2003 1:05:27 PM Buck wrote:
On 5/31/2003 1:05:27 PM Buck wrote:
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On 5/31/2003 11
01 AM j7915 wrote:
Must have hit a very sensitive nerve if all you can come back with is "Farms Out In House"? So maybe airplane should never be taxied by mechanics as that function is already reserved for pilots only, when there are paxs aboard, it is OK for a mechanic to do taxi/run-up with just a few fellow mechs aboard? We don''t count?????
As to the welder, if the shoe fits wear it. I get suspicious when an outsider professes such concern for me. Like the administrator of AMFA. What is his expertease in aviation?
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On 5/31/2003 11
01 AM j7915 wrote: Must have hit a very sensitive nerve if all you can come back with is "Farms Out In House"? So maybe airplane should never be taxied by mechanics as that function is already reserved for pilots only, when there are paxs aboard, it is OK for a mechanic to do taxi/run-up with just a few fellow mechs aboard? We don''t count?????
As to the welder, if the shoe fits wear it. I get suspicious when an outsider professes such concern for me. Like the administrator of AMFA. What is his expertease in aviation?
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The SRP/OSM program of Farming Out mechanic and related work within AA''s own facility is the same as farming it outside of that facility. If that work was to be accomplished at a lower cost outside of the facility AA would do so. Taxiing of aircraft has nothing to do farming out work. To taxi an aircraft with mechanics on board is part of their job. With passengers on board it becomes the pilots work. But the APA is not part of your beloved AFL-CIO so they must be monkeys also, just like you indicated the those card signers are. The APA formed it''s own union. YOu must not be a TWU man because if you hate welders and facility maintenance, you must hate stock clerks and fleet service also. You must be a company man.
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Why does AA require that only pilots or like certified pilots from other airlines do run-up/taxi when there are paxs on board? That would not have something to do with safety , would it? Yet when there are AA mechs on board there is no such limitation. As I said apparently we don''t count. As the pilot''s contract is more secret than anything homeland security cooks up I suppose that you may be right. However doing run-up is no more a pilot''s job exclusively than it is a mech''s. How many times have you gone out on a run-up even when there was no real need for your presence? I a finally got bored and had one ear ache too many and begun to stay in the hangar.
My point is of course that given the above, the pilots should demand that all run-ups be done by them only, not farmed out in house to lesser paid individuals.
Where did I ever said that I hate welders? I can''t weld worth a damn, and could not earn a cup of cafe doing it. My point is that YOU hate anyone who''s job can''t be justified at the A&p rate and whose position is therefore not contracted out at whatever the company can negotiate.
If you feel like a monkey then be my guest. As I said, you and RV4 should start reading between the lines, or you are going to trip over every glib propaganda line they throw at you, if you keep taking words literal.
See the FAQ about the RTW legislation on the OKDoL web site. It says in so many words that any contract negotiated after September 25, 2001, shall not require membership in a union. Now how many people in TULE would pay $700+ a year to be represented by any union? I know RLA protects us, so far.
You might stop refering to anyone and everyone you don''t agree with as socialist, pinko, communist etc. If my writing strikes you as communist then you have obviously never met any.
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No I do not hate mechanic and related who do not earn A&P wages. If I hate anthing it is the loss of democracy that the TWU breeds. That the mechanic and related have to fund the other ground workers at the expense of their signature and responsibility. The big peice of the pie that the company throughs out at negotiations is always in the favor of the fleet service. Even under the TWU concessions that we must endure now, the mechanic and related took a larger concession than fleet service. Fleet Service has it''s own responsibilities and can negotiate for themselves. They do not need the mechanics help.
As for RTW, Randy McDonald and your beloved TWU has done more in Oklahoma and throughout this country to lower wages.
Your union, the TWU has origins connected to the communists. Therefore the Constitution of the TWU is based on their Socialists theory.
