TEAMSTERS vs IAMAW questions from the voters mechs and related

700UW said:
According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.

Cases:

Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.

PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.

Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.

None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.
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Two questions:
In any of the cases above where any contracts under negotiation at the time they changed representations? Where any involved in a merger?

700UW said:
PSA was ibt and US was IAM, single carrier status declared the PSA mechanic and related were transitioned into the US CBA.

Just as it will happen no matter who wins if there is an election.

That is they the company has ceased section 6 negotiations with the ibt.

And to BD:

Just because you bold it and use a bigger font does not make it correct in what you write.

No matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving CBA per single carrier status.

Inferior?

Compare scope, stock clerks and gse wages.
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In your travels have you found any case that meets the case that we have at AWA/US?
 
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320tech said:

I'm Ready out with the IAM so they quit sending me junk mail with all those lies.
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WOW You actually got information from the IAM. In all the years I worked prior to retiring last March. I can count on one hand and maybe not even that the information that I got from the IAM.
 
allstrike said:
Well the time has come to get an answer to this question,so all you union in the know guys have at it.

If there is an election and the IBT wins.

The IAM has stated that the contract will not change,only the
representative will..being IBT if they win,the contract stays status Quo_Ok given that answer this.

1.If a transitional agreement is reached with the company to bring the mechanics and related under the current IBT contract,wich is still in negotiations,will the old IAM contract then be null and void and the IBT free to negotiate for better pay and bennies for us us/east folks.

Be truth full here,I know the rules for section 6 etc ok,but this isnt reopening an agreement the one The IBT has is already open..
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Any CBA can be changed at any time if both parties to the contract agree. Proof of that is the concesions that most of the unions gave over the last three years. Most of these contracts were opened by the unions and the companies because the companies threatened to ntry and get a judge to abrogate the entire agreement if they didnt.

However I do not know of any agreement that was opened early where workers made out better.I would be suprised if management decided to go that route unless they felt that they could lower labor costs under and IBT contract vs an IAM contract.


Bird Doctor said:
HOW ABOUT
1 PAY for lic mechanic
2 Vacation days IBT 3 week after 5 yr IAM 3 weeks after what is it like 12 yr
3 Sick pay IBT hr for hr IAM 1/2 hr for hr
4 Holiday IBT=9 IAM=5
5 401K IBT match 6% IAM match 2%
SHOULD WE GO ON???
POINT MADE

GET OUT OF THE QUICK SAND AND VOTE IBT
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In all fairness you cant blame the IAM for all that. The TWU gave AA all those concesions even though AA had over $1billion in cash at the time.

NeedForSpeed said:
Thats ok...administer the contract to it's conclusion, then the NEW union on the property will negotiate their own contract.....The good thing is....said NEW union will be able to identify all of the crap in the current CBA, and be able to have time to formulate a strategy to change all the IAMs' blunders...I see this as a win-win situation for the NEW union

Maybe a place for you somewhere within the ranks of the IAM, eh there, 700?? :lol: :lol:
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I have to agree with you on that point. The IAM is still defending that abortion of a CBA. Does anyone really think that three years from now they will admitt that they screwed up and go for radical changes?

Even if they did, the fact is that nothing will have really changed. The same screwed up structure, a remnant from the days of the CAB (Like a lot of the officers in the IAM, I wonder how many actually worked under deregulation at an airline)will still be in place. Airline workers would still be "organized" in a hopelessly unorganized structure where the only ones that really benifit are those who hold union positions created by the inefecient structure and the airlines that exploit the weakness of it.

PhxRanchHand said:
there goes your ignorance again 7, none of those examples were due to a merger where as the smaller was the aquiring...
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I dont think that size has anything to do with it. I think it depends on which company is considered the surviving company. Who bought who? If USAIR Inc, not neccisarily the logo or trademark, is declared the surviving company then I blieve the USAIR contracts stay in place. But if in reality AWA Inc is the surviving company but they choose to use the more widely known USAIR logo, which it owns, then the AWA contracts would stand.
 
Did you know teamsters are planning on keeping separate contracts and not negotiating a transition agreement?

This will keep the unions as two separate entities with no bidding/bumping from one side or the other.No raise for IAM to west side scale.

Did you know teamsters plan on opening up section 6 negotiations with U if they succeed?

This will take 2 1/2 years or more from the date they start.....almost 2009,when the IAM contract runs out...

Didn't know these things now did you??

Hmmmmmm......... ;)
 
delldude said:
Did you know teamsters are planning on keeping separate contracts and not negotiating a transition agreement?

This will keep the unions as two separate entities with no bidding/bumping from one side or the other.No raise for IAM to west side scale.

Did you know teamsters plan on opening up section 6 negotiations with U if they succeed?

This will take 2 1/2 years or more from the date they start.....almost 2009,when the IAM contract runs out...

Didn't know these things now did you??

Hmmmmmm......... ;)
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Are you sure you didnt just make it all up? Do you have any links for supporting evidence?
 
awausairtech said:
And T-BONE STILL THINKS THAT EAST AMT'S MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WEST AMT'S He Need to stop smoking that iam bs mon lol. :shock:
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that aside...interesting comments from IBT andy marshall to say the least...looks like east side will never get the raise that IBT promised....looks like westside will see no contract too untill 2009 :lol: welcome to the jungle... ;)
no transition agreement...wow...what these ibt'ers smokin'?
 
delldude said:
that aside...interesting comments from IBT andy marshall to say the least...looks like east side will never get the raise that IBT promised....looks like westside will see no contract too untill 2009 :lol: welcome to the jungle... ;)
no transition agreement...wow...what these ibt'ers smokin'?
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