Strike/chaos Ballots

[diogenes]

MMW,

A little history regarding GE and labor.

In the wake of NAFTA, GE approached many of its' vendors and contractors. It advised many of them to relocate their operation to Mexico, in order to lower costs, and pass them on to GE. When some companies demurred, Neutron Jack said, no you don't understand - relocate, or we'll find a vendor that will.

So America's premier CEO was different from the Godfather exactly how?

http://www.banned-books.com/truth-seeker/1...1_3/ts213l.html

 

[MarkMyWords]

Absolutely you can be angry. We can all be angry. That is why we have Pepcid AC. But anger and logic rarely go hand in hand. I know everyone is frustrated, angry and a whole host of other adjectives. This is very difficult for everyone.

 

[firstamendment]

Absolutely you can be angry. We can all be angry. That is why we have Pepcid AC. But anger and logic rarely go hand in hand. I know everyone is frustrated, angry and a whole host of other adjectives. This is very difficult for everyone.

[post="204154"][/post]​

And that, Mark, is why I continue to do a superior job. It isn't logical to take my frustration out on those who have nothing to do with this mess...customer or fellow employees.

 

[MarkMyWords]

Diogenes -

Thanks for the background info on GE.

 

[DCD]

Mark

I understand all that. Can we please be angry? If only GE would impose stipulations on upper management to turn the tide of discontent and poor morale. Worth means nothing if the employees no longer care. But what do I know?

[post="204151"][/post]​

I agree, but I think the company wants you (all senior folk) to quit so that they can inspire new hires who agree to hire on at lower pay rates. After all, when it's all said and done it's not likely that any senior employee will ever be happy at USAirways again. Maybe thats why they are trying so hard to alienate the workforce.

 

[PITbull]

I realized that in your capacity you are very focused on your employee group. Bravo. Get every penny you can.

Saying that this is all a ploy to bust the unions is turning a blind eye to the real problem. WE AREN'T MAKING MONEY!

I agree that changing the business plan and renegotiating with creditors are a key part of the process, but so is renegotiating employee contracts. I would never tell you or anyone else to conceed more then what you feel you need to. But don't sit there and say GE is in bed with the company to bust the unions. This isn't about busting unions it is about returning a company to profitability before it ceases to exist.

That is what THIS topic is about!

[post="204138"][/post]​

You know what Markmywords, your IDEA, IS NOT WHAT THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT!!!!

ITS ABOUT CHAOS, ITS ABOUT TAKING A STRIKE VOTE, ITS ABOUT CHAOS BALLOTS!!!!

If MONEY was this company's problem, then they would not be asking to extend the contract date out to 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We were told that if we extend the date it would get us to our number..

I ask, what for? Is this about what the company needs ...."MONEY"...or is it about getting labor at the bottom of the pecking heap to increase the value of the airline to SELL IT?! What it wants!


So, what do you think? OH, I forgot you don't.

 

[firstamendment]

I agree, but I think the company wants you (all senior folk) to quit so that they can inspire new hires who agree to hire on at lower pay rates. After all, when it's all said and done it's not likely that any senior employee will ever be happy at USAirways again. Maybe thats why they are trying so hard to alienate the workforce.

[post="204163"][/post]​

EXACTLY!! You got it DCD!! Congrats!! That's why many of us are smart enough to see it, professional enough to continue a job well done, but brave enough to say STOP...ENOUGH!!!!

 

[MarkMyWords]

My dear.......money problems aren't all just short term. Sometimes you have to look farther then the end of your nose to see other problems.

I do agree with you that the focus of the company has been to sell it off. That has been the agenda since Wolf got here and will be for whoever gets here after Lakefield. But before we can be sold, we have to be profitable. Before we can become a purchaser (if that is a possibility) then we have to be profitable. How do you peddal an airline that is on life support?

So whether the objective is to stand alone or merge there is one thing that has to happen......WE HAVE TO BECOME PROFITABLE!

If you can negotiate a contract that is liveable for your employees and remains liveable unitl 2012, then I say go for it. If not, keep pecking away.

And lastly, must you sling insults and name calling. Can't you post anything without all the hysteria and drama? "You're Management." "You don't think!" "You don't care!" Blah, blah, blah does nothing to make your arguements any more credible.

Thanks

 

[PITbull]

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If you can negotiate a contract that is liveable for your employees and remains liveable unitl 2012, then I say go for it. If not, keep pecking away.

And lastly, must you sling insults and name calling. Can't you post anything without all the hysteria and drama? "You're Management." "You don't think!" "You don't care!" Blah, blah, blah does nothing to make your arguements any more credible.

Thanks

[post="204195"][/post]​

LOL..... I do so enjoy you.....

 

[BostonTerrier]

I am so glad that your nursing degree has provided you such great insights into the business world.

*sniff, sniff*

I smell hypocrite. I believe you have some mud left on your own hands, Mark.

The problems at UAIR are far more complex than simply labor costs. And unless management gets onboard with sacrificing some of their own pay, labor shall remain acutely restless. Now that GE has stepped up to the plate with their own stipulations (I particularly enjoy the June 30th deadline), the stakes are higher than ever to gut contracts.

PitBull is correct, in my opinion. This newly announced financing agreement adds significant weight to the company's posturing of "necessary" labor cost cuts. It would be fantastic to see management participation in the "pain," even a nominal contribution could quell some hardliners. But they wouldn't dare do that, now would they?

Best to all,
BT

 

[USA320Pilot]

Last summer every union was told by Bruce Lakefield GECAS wanted to diversify their risk and could take about 30 of their aircraft back.

Lakefield asked each union to participate in the new business plan to preserve 281 mainline aircraft and keep EMB and CRJ aircraft deliveries.

What happened. Every union lead by ALPA's RC4 elected to take a "hardline" stance and now not only the fleet is getting smaller. Moreover, GECAS is basically requiring new consensual or imposed labor accords or US Airways will lose its new bankruptcy financing.

The GE deal provides US Airways badly needed funds, since many labor groups have failed to provide their requested cost cut targets, requires unspecified cost cuts, and requires Bankruptcy Court approval by December 17, the same day the S.1113© hearing is scheduled to be completed.

Nobody on this forum should be surprised by this agreement because readers knew that US Airways was arranging bankruptcy financing that would require labor cost cuts. The GE deal will increase the pressure applied to Judge Mitchell to impose S.1113© cuts and do not be surprised if US Airways provides the AFA, CWA, and IAM new proposals seeking deeper cuts, which will be the basis for Mitchell's court order to reduce employee pay, benefits, and retirement.

Separately, every proposal from the company to ALPA got worse, which was predicted by ALPA's advisors. In fact, the pilots obtained a worse agreement than was offered by the company. This same sequence of events is happening to the AFA and could happen to the CWA and IAM next week.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[goingboeing]

Last summer every union was told by Bruce Lakefield GECAS wanted to diversify their risk and could take about 30 of their aircraft back.

Lakefield asked each union to participate in the new business plan to preserve 281 mainline aircraft and keep EMB and CRJ aircraft deliveries.

What happened. Every union lead by ALPA's RC4 elected to take a "hardline" stance and now not only the fleet is getting smaller. Moreover, GECAS is basically requiring new consensual or imposed labor accords or US Airways will lose its new bankruptcy financing.

The GE deal provides US Airways badly needed funds, since many labor groups have failed to provide their requested cost cut targets, requires unspecified cost cuts, and requires Bankruptcy Court approval by December 17, the same day the S.1113© hearing is scheduled to be completed.

Nobody on this forum should be surprised by this agreement because readers knew that US Airways was arranging bankruptcy financing that would require labor cost cuts. The GE deal will increase the pressure applied to Judge Mitchell to impose S.1113© cuts and do not be surprised if US Airways provides the AFA, CWA, and IAM new proposals seeking deeper cuts, which will be the basis for Mitchell's court order to reduce employee pay, benefits, and retirement.

Separately, every proposal from the company to ALPA got worse, which was predicted by ALPA's advisors. In fact, the pilots obtained a worse agreement than was offered by the company. This same sequence of events is happening to the AFA and could happen to the CWA and IAM next week.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="204219"][/post]​

Hell,why not ask the judge to pay all work groups $9.00/hr to improve the profits for GE?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Gawd I cant wait to hear you're back to jerking gear...


Respectfully

 

[PITbull]

Last summer every union was told by Bruce Lakefield GECAS wanted to diversify their risk and could take about 30 of their aircraft back.

Lakefield asked each union to participate in the new business plan to preserve 281 mainline aircraft and keep EMB and CRJ aircraft deliveries.

What happened. Every union lead by ALPA's RC4 elected to take a "hardline" stance and now not only the fleet is getting smaller. Moreover, GECAS is basically requiring new consensual or imposed labor accords or US Airways will lose its new bankruptcy financing.

The GE deal provides US Airways badly needed funds, since many labor groups have failed to provide their requested cost cut targets, requires unspecified cost cuts, and requires Bankruptcy Court approval by December 17, the same day the S.1113© hearing is scheduled to be completed.

Nobody on this forum should be surprised by this agreement because readers knew that US Airways was arranging bankruptcy financing that would require labor cost cuts. The GE deal will increase the pressure applied to Judge Mitchell to impose S.1113© cuts and do not be surprised if US Airways provides the AFA, CWA, and IAM new proposals seeking deeper cuts, which will be the basis for Mitchell's court order to reduce employee pay, benefits, and retirement.

Separately, every proposal from the company to ALPA got worse, which was predicted by ALPA's advisors. In fact, the pilots obtained a worse agreement than was offered by the company. This same sequence of events is happening to the AFA and could happen to the CWA and IAM next week.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="204219"][/post]​

USA320,

You need to ask..... WHO CARES????????

Please read the "signature" real, real slow.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Earlier this month I told readers on this forum that US Airways would obtain bankruptcy financing in the not-so-distant future that would require labor cost cuts. Guess what, it happened. The new financing agreement will place even greater pressure on Judge Mitchell to agree to the company's S.1113© motion to "impose" new contracts on any union without a new labor accord, which could prevent "self help" and or require RLA act negotiations after permanent "imposition".

Meanwhile, if history repeats itself, the AFA, CWA, and IAM could get even worse proposals from the company next week, which union leaders should understand with history repeating itself.

It's too bad the labor keeps getting worse deals, but failed union leadership is creating the problem for rank-and-file members. Unfortunately you cannot fix "stupid" or people who fail to listen to their advisors or fail to study history.

By the way, if people do not care then why negotiate? As I said before, worse company proposals that could be "imposed" could be provided to the AFA, CWA, and IAM next week.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot