Strike/chaos Ballots

[PITbull]

I am so glad that your nursing degree has provided you such great insights into the business world. So GE is supposed to allow us to use the planes for free right? They don't have investors or employees to worry about.

[post="204110"][/post]​

Hey know-it-all,


WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY WANT TO INVEST AT ALL IS THE REAL QUESTION????


Any sound business Board would never approve to invest in an airline with unstable fuel prices an econcomy that is in the shitter... and take these kinds of risk...WITH A COMPANY THAT SITS IN BK A-GAIN!

Unless of course, they know something that you and I don't know???Hmm B)

They can "blow it out their _ _ _ !!!!!!


BTW: Just got my 30th pay check today....a whopping net of $538.03. I just dont know what to pay first....can't pay the morgage...not enough to cover that.

So, it has to be groceries, gas bill and fuel in the car to show up to the damn job!!!

Yea, let's see what I won't pay, hmmmm ANY APPLIANCES OWED TO GE.

 

[MarkMyWords]

Perhaps they see some worth in the company still. Perhaps they are hoping for a return on their investment, versus the huge loss if they took their toys and parked them in the desert.

But no, it is all a conspiracy to put the screws to labor. Must be hell to be that paranoid and dilussional.

 

[PITbull]

Perhaps they see some worth in the company still. Perhaps they are hoping for a return on their investment, versus the huge loss if they took their toys and parked them in the desert.

But no, it is all a conspiracy to put the screws to labor. Must be hell to be that paranoid and dilussional.

[post="204122"][/post]​

Ahhh,, I just felt all fuzzy inside knowing they are willing to lend us $140 million as long as labor gets screwed.

That just makes me so gleeful....as I sit and cash my biweekly pay check of net $538.03.

Don't think I'll be spending part of this on xmas shopping.

Hey, I got a novel idea...how about you lending me some money. I'm as good for it as U is. You know, "spread the wealth around", man.

 

[700UW]

GE is not taking planes in the desert, they are all ready placed and leased upon return.

 

[MarkMyWords]

So if you were GE or RSA, you would just continue to lend US more money and expect no changes?

Oh yeah, I forgot, we are just showing losses so we can break the unions. And somehow we convinced UA, AA, DL, NW, CO and all the others to do the same thing.

 

[PITbull]

So if you were GE or RSA, you would just continue to lend US more money and expect no changes?

Oh yeah, I forgot, we are just showing losses so we can break the unions. And somehow we convinced UA, AA, DL, NW, CO and all the others to do the same thing.

[post="204128"][/post]​

No Mark,

I expect, no demand, the likes of you and the managment like you to make a fair sacrifice as the rank and file have done 3 times.

Don't sit here and tell us you sacrificed. It amounted to diddly squat! And I have absolutely NO respect for this managment on any level, in any capacity.

If the shoe fits, wear it well!

 

[firstamendment]

Nothing would surprise or shock me.

 

[MarkMyWords]

exactly.....they have placed these airplanes already. But if they didn't do something to help us survive and we went Chapter 7, then they get all their toys back. Then what? So they make the loan with stipulations that the cost structure changes.

 

[MarkMyWords]

So exactly how did we get from :

They want $150 million from AFA in cost savings...and GE is only lending $140million.

to:

I expect, no demand, the likes of you and the managment like you to make a fair sacrifice as the rank and file have done 3 times.

The issue was GE floating us a loan with attached requirements, but somehow you turn that into union busting and unfair management sacrifices. Can you stick to one topic and not fly off the handle over a gammit of topics? Focus woman

 

[PITbull]

So exactly how did we get from :

They want $150 million from AFA in cost savings...and GE is only lending $140million.

to:

I expect, no demand, the likes of you and the managment like you to make a fair sacrifice as the rank and file have done 3 times.

The issue was GE floating us a loan with attached requirements, but somehow you turn that into union busting and unfair management sacrifices. Can you stick to one topic and not fly off the handle over a gammit of topics? Focus woman

[post="204133"][/post]​

Mark,

I am more focused than I have ever been in my life. This should worry you and all of management right about now.

Its not about one issue or one matter...everything is critical, and our personal survival is in the forfront of these issues. They are all interrelated. You and your kind want us to focus on just one thing...and that is GE's "play money" that they want to throw our way...AND WE AS LABOR SHOULD BE JUMPING FOR JOY...???? And what, emptying out our pockets?

You're on drugs man.

 

[MarkMyWords]

I realized that in your capacity you are very focused on your employee group. Bravo. Get every penny you can.

Saying that this is all a ploy to bust the unions is turning a blind eye to the real problem. WE AREN'T MAKING MONEY!

I agree that changing the business plan and renegotiating with creditors are a key part of the process, but so is renegotiating employee contracts. I would never tell you or anyone else to conceed more then what you feel you need to. But don't sit there and say GE is in bed with the company to bust the unions. This isn't about busting unions it is about returning a company to profitability before it ceases to exist.

That is what THIS topic is about!

 

[firstamendment]

Perhaps they see some worth in the company still. Perhaps they are hoping for a return on their investment, versus the huge loss if they took their toys and parked them in the desert.

But no, it is all a conspiracy to put the screws to labor. Must be hell to be that paranoid and dilussional.

[post="204122"][/post]​

Make a return? That's a joke. Frankly, GE should take a pass and help kill off this dying bird. Do you REALLY think this is the LAST time "management" will come whining back to labor? How idiotic. How long have you been here? Are you in management....if so , oh I forgot, you guys have suffered so.....what would you care. Management will give you another 4% raise and then take away 5% while the next round will be ANOTHER 15-20% and ANOTHER and ANOTHER!! It will NEVER EVER be enough.

Worth?

And you know, MMW, I love being a flight attendant and I do it VERY well, but if I am going to make what I can make being at home every night, which I can, why SHOULD I not make a stand.

I loathe this company. It is sad when the company you work for is a text book case taught in college on how NOT to run a company. And you wonder why some of us are pissed? And you wonder why we get pissed when we peons hear of raises when we're asked to sacrifice? And you wonder why we are pissed when the excuse is the good minds are leaving...the SAME good minds that put us in this mess?

For 16 of the last 18 years, management has been incapable of a real plan and the genre of blame labor cost is tired and worn.

Worth? US Airways finds no worth in their employees..Why the hell should GE?

I've had it. Oh, i know quit. That's always the same tired response. Every since the 21% cut, I have sought to give even MORE just because I care about ME and didn't want to show my utter distain for the likes of management and suck-ups like you. Frankly, after the 30th paycheck, you will probably see a HUGE decline in morale and many will develope a why bother, it's not WORTH it.

Worth!! Give me a f###ing break!! :angry: :down: :down:
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[firstamendment]

Oh yeah, I forgot, we are just showing losses so we can break the unions. And somehow we convinced UA, AA, DL, NW, CO and all the others to do the same thing.

[post="204128"][/post]​

Maybe not, but there is a concerted effort to make life as miserable as possible to force those here the longest to leave. Remember, we are a senior airline and I'm sure managment would LOVE for people to just quit. Then there would be enough money to give management another 4% raise and they would still piss and moan. <_<

 

[MarkMyWords]

First....

Again, I am not telling you what to conceed. I am not telling you to go settle with the company this minute. I am not saying anything about what I feel you should or shouldn't do. If it comes to CHAOS - after you've exhausted all avenues of dealing with the company and the bankruptcy judge, then I say, do what you have to do.

What I am saying here is that to GE we are worth more to them if we continue to operate then it we cease to exist. GE has a 3 billion dollar exposure to US. 3 BILLION DOLLARS. So if they lower our debt/lease payments by 80 million and loan us another 140 million to get through bankruptcy, then they are still way ahead of the game. If we cease to exist, then they get all there wonderful airplanes back, parked in the desert, until someone comes along to take them - if they can even lease some of them. Now, these same assets become liabilities and generate no revenue for us or for GE.

But, if you were GE, would you just offer up these concessions on your companies behalf, without needing US to have a business plan and costs that make it profitable. So you have to stick stipulations to the loan. Is it a conspiracy to bust the unions as PitBull would have you believe? No.

 

[firstamendment]

Mark

I understand all that. Can we please be angry? If only GE would impose stipulations on upper management to turn the tide of discontent and poor morale. Worth means nothing if the employees no longer care. But what do I know?