Stop Blaming Us Air Pilots
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WOJetDreamer
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I guess in my fit of rage I failed to notice my numbers. For that I am sorry! LOLHope777 said:
That does not cover the fact that you are making what you should be making. I have spent close to half of my life and alot of money and suffering to get to this point, and to do what, listen to people like you point fingers and cry because you are not paid $80,000/year like you think you should be paid for your job.
YOU MY FRIEND MAKE ME LAUGH!!!!!
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT HERE LEAVE. GO TO ANOTHER AIRLINE. MAYBE THEY WILL PAY YOU FOR YOUR GREAT SKILL AND EXPERIENCE.
ITRADE
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thats not quite true. There was a lot of stupidity and ignorance within the steel industry itself. Management at Bethlehem had at least two executive dining rooms at their corporate headquarters. The USWA at Bethlehem demanded outrageous work rules and regulations that maximized membership to the extreme detriment of profitability and efficiency. Man hours per ton at this company plummeted in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. upstart companies like Nucor and imports were merely the nails to seal the coffin.AAviator said:
I agree with your sentiment, however, USA320pilot fails to acknowlege that the steel industy, and railroad industries are not a valid comparison. One is alive and well, the other is for the most part obsolete. The airline industry is alive and growing, and has room for all viable competitors. Unfortunately, the only plan at U is to prop up a failed business with compensation packages below the lowest cost producer.ITRADE said:
Seatacus
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OK...here we go again. Everyone crying about how important and educated they are and how much you are worth. Maybe we should try this...ditch the unions and let the open market decide how much we are worth. :huh:
That would be my vote. I think it'd do some fascinating things. Perhaps the worst invention of the unions was seniority, not because of the rewards one gets from it but rather because seniority ends up being golden handcuffs. Allow me to elaborate.Seatacus said:
What are the good things that seniority buys an employee? You get to bid on better routes, and you get guaranteed pay raises (sometimes). Oh, and you're less likely to be furloughed.
What does it buy the employer? You get to use those benefits to make the work rules less pleasant. After all, the employee won't leave...why start at the bottom of the seniority list when you've got 15 years with your current employer?
Wouldn't it be great if you could just tell your management to shove it when they make the work rules worse? After all, you could leave US for UA or DL or CO or AS or HP or whoever, without penalty. Certainly would make the employers more accountable, wouldn't it?
And wouldn't it be great if the deadwood employees, the ones with seniority that make the workloads harder on the good employees, got shown the door when times get tough? Better team of employees, happier customers, more revenue! It works well in other industries...
a pilot can clean can a cleaner fly?robbedagain said:
lets not be mean here.
on the football team it takes all eleven working as a unit to achieve the goal, but only one quarterback, why does he get all the glory, and money? we need the linemen too right but yet they all dont get the same salary they do different jobs.
just like in business. so before someone points fingers saying you make too much be very careful,
read the articles on JBLU and the like, the pilots strolling back to clean (read here at UAIR that means less cleaners) and dont think they will do it? would one like to bet his or her job on that?
and if the considered oppinion is pilots simply make too much money why not become a pilot? and reap the huge rewards you all think they enjoy.
see ya in 15 years.
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