Stop Blaming Us Air Pilots

[AAviator]

Phaser:

Phaser said: "In the end, we will all be low fare carriers or guests of those airline reunion parties."

USA320Pilot comments: Unfortunately, I agree with you. The market will dictate what happens and either legacy carriers obtain a competitive cost structure or they will fail -- it's really plain and simple. Do I like it? Nope, but it's reality, just like it was for the railroad and steel industry workers.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

No, you're wrong. overseas production killed the US steel industry. Trucking killed the railroad industry.

 

[Colby]

neither do most of these stuck up flight attendants

On behalf of ALL FLIGHT ATTENDANTS.....................

Gee, Guess all that Training and Recurrent F/As go through was all to learn how to Properly Poor Drinks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Colby]

Poor Drinks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POUR DRINKS.... OOPS MyBad !!!!!!

 

[Colby]

POUR DRINKS.... OOPS MyBad !!!!!!

Perhaps Pouring to many drinks for yourself has made you poorer?

Just Kidding!

No that was last night.... Recovering 2day !!!! 😉


Promise we'll get back on the subject !!!!!!!!!

 

[WOJetDreamer]

WOJetDreamer, you make me laugh. Please tell me again how educated you are? Only saying this becuase last time I checked, there are only * 52 * weeks in a year.....not 56. Very surprised no one else caught this.

I guess in my fit of rage I failed to notice my numbers. For that I am sorry! LOL

That does not cover the fact that you are making what you should be making. I have spent close to half of my life and alot of money and suffering to get to this point, and to do what, listen to people like you point fingers and cry because you are not paid $80,000/year like you think you should be paid for your job.

YOU MY FRIEND MAKE ME LAUGH!!!!!

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT HERE LEAVE. GO TO ANOTHER AIRLINE. MAYBE THEY WILL PAY YOU FOR YOUR GREAT SKILL AND EXPERIENCE.

 

[ITRADE]

Phaser:

Phaser said: "In the end, we will all be low fare carriers or guests of those airline reunion parties."

USA320Pilot comments: Unfortunately, I agree with you. The market will dictate what happens and either legacy carriers obtain a competitive cost structure or they will fail -- it's really plain and simple. Do I like it? Nope, but it's reality, just like it was for the railroad and steel industry workers.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

No, you're wrong. overseas production killed the US steel industry. Trucking killed the railroad industry.

thats not quite true. There was a lot of stupidity and ignorance within the steel industry itself. Management at Bethlehem had at least two executive dining rooms at their corporate headquarters. The USWA at Bethlehem demanded outrageous work rules and regulations that maximized membership to the extreme detriment of profitability and efficiency. Man hours per ton at this company plummeted in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. upstart companies like Nucor and imports were merely the nails to seal the coffin.

 

[AAviator]

Phaser:

Phaser said: "In the end, we will all be low fare carriers or guests of those airline reunion parties."

USA320Pilot comments: Unfortunately, I agree with you. The market will dictate what happens and either legacy carriers obtain a competitive cost structure or they will fail -- it's really plain and simple. Do I like it? Nope, but it's reality, just like it was for the railroad and steel industry workers.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

No, you're wrong. overseas production killed the US steel industry. Trucking killed the railroad industry.

thats not quite true. There was a lot of stupidity and ignorance within the steel industry itself. Management at Bethlehem had at least two executive dining rooms at their corporate headquarters. The USWA at Bethlehem demanded outrageous work rules and regulations that maximized membership to the extreme detriment of profitability and efficiency. Man hours per ton at this company plummeted in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. upstart companies like Nucor and imports were merely the nails to seal the coffin.

I agree with your sentiment, however, USA320pilot fails to acknowlege that the steel industy, and railroad industries are not a valid comparison. One is alive and well, the other is for the most part obsolete. The airline industry is alive and growing, and has room for all viable competitors. Unfortunately, the only plan at U is to prop up a failed business with compensation packages below the lowest cost producer.

 

[Seatacus]

OK...here we go again. Everyone crying about how important and educated they are and how much you are worth. Maybe we should try this...ditch the unions and let the open market decide how much we are worth. :huh:

 

[mweiss]

Maybe we should try this...ditch the unions and let the open market decide how much we are worth. :huh:

That would be my vote. I think it'd do some fascinating things. Perhaps the worst invention of the unions was seniority, not because of the rewards one gets from it but rather because seniority ends up being golden handcuffs. Allow me to elaborate.

What are the good things that seniority buys an employee? You get to bid on better routes, and you get guaranteed pay raises (sometimes). Oh, and you're less likely to be furloughed.

What does it buy the employer? You get to use those benefits to make the work rules less pleasant. After all, the employee won't leave...why start at the bottom of the seniority list when you've got 15 years with your current employer?

Wouldn't it be great if you could just tell your management to shove it when they make the work rules worse? After all, you could leave US for UA or DL or CO or AS or HP or whoever, without penalty. Certainly would make the employers more accountable, wouldn't it?

And wouldn't it be great if the deadwood employees, the ones with seniority that make the workloads harder on the good employees, got shown the door when times get tough? Better team of employees, happier customers, more revenue! It works well in other industries...

 

[javaboy]

all i have to say is at least the pilots arent working for 13.00 an hr like a large group of employees like me are in cities such as pwm, srq, avp, avp, dtw, cle, abe, etc etc... the pilots can afford new cars and houses where us employees in the above mentioned cities are on GOVT APPROVED Food Stamps! and Welfare

a pilot can clean can a cleaner fly?

lets not be mean here.

on the football team it takes all eleven working as a unit to achieve the goal, but only one quarterback, why does he get all the glory, and money? we need the linemen too right but yet they all dont get the same salary they do different jobs.

just like in business. so before someone points fingers saying you make too much be very careful,

read the articles on JBLU and the like, the pilots strolling back to clean (read here at UAIR that means less cleaners) and dont think they will do it? would one like to bet his or her job on that?

and if the considered oppinion is pilots simply make too much money why not become a pilot? and reap the huge rewards you all think they enjoy.
see ya in 15 years.

 

[insp89]

That would be my vote. I think it'd do some fascinating things. Perhaps the worst invention of the unions was seniority, not because of the rewards one gets from it but rather because seniority ends up being golden handcuffs. Allow me to elaborate.

What are the good things that seniority buys an employee? You get to bid on better routes, and you get guaranteed pay raises (sometimes). Oh, and you're less likely to be furloughed.

What does it buy the employer? You get to use those benefits to make the work rules less pleasant. After all, the employee won't leave...why start at the bottom of the seniority list when you've got 15 years with your current employer?

Wouldn't it be great if you could just tell your management to shove it when they make the work rules worse? After all, you could leave US for UA or DL or CO or AS or HP or whoever, without penalty. Certainly would make the employers more accountable, wouldn't it?

And wouldn't it be great if the deadwood employees, the ones with seniority that make the workloads harder on the good employees, got shown the door when times get tough? Better team of employees, happier customers, more revenue! It works well in other industries...

mweiss,....... I agree with a lot of your post. The seniority system is far from perfect.. I have worked for both union and non-union companies during my AMT career, but I prefer SENIORITY over SUCTION any day.

 

[Winglet]

Those lazy pilots again. Reserve pilots, if they're not being used to fly, should be made to come into work and clean the toilets in the executive washrooms. After that they can police up the airline's airport spaces, wash vehicles, etc.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Winglet,

" Those lazy pilots again." Hey, I resemble that remark!!!!

Jim

 

[28yearsnojob]

:down: why

 

[BoeingBoy]

Because (he said, with tongue still firmly in cheek), if I'd wanted to use my brawn to get a little paycheck I wouldn't have spent the thousands of dollars getting my ratings or the years to build experience.

Jim