It's funny how liberals want everyone to have their own rights protected but when it comes to allowing others with different views to practice praying in school how narrow minded they turn. What's wrong with allowing someone to pray in school if they want? What happened to being tolerant? They're so tolerant of having women having a right to choose but what about the life of the unborn child? All of a sudden they're not so tolerant when it comes to the unborn child huh? No ones wanting to take womens rights away but there isn't anything wrong with having them take some personal responsibility for their actions. Then they come out and say someone is trying to stop them from looking up porn on the internet. It's so funny how there is the truth and the liberal version of the truth. Liberals are the most apologetic and whiny people I've ever seen and will be the group to turn this country into a third world country if they ever have their own way.
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It's funny how liberals want everyone to have their own rights protected but when it comes to allowing others with different views to practice praying in school how narrow minded they turn. What's wrong with allowing someone to pray in school if they want? What happened to being tolerant? They're so tolerant of having women having a right to choose but what about the life of the unborn child? All of a sudden they're not so tolerant when it comes to the unborn child huh? No ones wanting to take womens rights away but there isn't anything wrong with having them take some personal responsibility for their actions. Then they come out and say someone is trying to stop them from looking up porn on the internet. It's so funny how there is the truth and the liberal version of the truth. Liberals are the most apologetic and whiny people I've ever seen and will be the group to turn this country into a third world country if they ever have their own way.
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Read Timothy Mcveigh's full transcript of how he devised and carried out his repulsive plot which he claims he never intended to take innocents. why would he lie? he already recieved the DEATH penalty for his actions. His intentions were to take out governemnt employees who he despised.
Here's the thing I want you to understand. My aunt was a government employee who he didn't know, had never met. He didn't know what her political views were all he knew was that if he placed a truck full of explosives in front of a building that had children in it it would explode and kill people. Honeslty I don't give a damn what his transcripts say the same way I don't give a damn about what Muhammad Atta's views were. I'm sure his true intentions were to get the infidels who were on the plane that he crashed.
Pull your head out of your proverbial arse and look at whats happening in this world, how many "BLOND HAIRED, BLUE EYED TERRORIST" do you see among the suicide bombers, check the terrorist web sites and see how many are american you imbecile. Its liberal leftist like you who are gonna get us all killed!
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I will pull my head out of my arse once you explain to me how "he never intended to take innocents" equals to all of the children in the daycare center that were killed or the people who were in the parking lot who were killed going to the credit union or going to apply for social security or the man who was walking past the building during the explosion and part of the wall fell on him. Take the time and look up the word innocent and see if they fall into that catagory. So before you start talking about who's going to get who killed tell me how terriosim has effected your life personally not the Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity dribble and talking points. Liberal and lefist has as much branding now as Klenex. Get an original thought and experience and then maybe we can talk.
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You can pray any time you feel the need to. I just want to know why you feel that you need the government to authorize you to do so in school at a specified time each day. Why do you feel the need to take time away that is allocated to my education? Why are you not able to pray on your own time? Now keep in mind, if you feel compelled to pray in school, you will have to allow ALL religions to pray, Muslims, Wicca, satanic believers ....etc. Also, as for your public displays on state or city property, if you get to put up a X-mass tree, I get to put up my pentagram. You don't have a problem with that right? After all, you are tolerant right?
They are scared of gays ruining the sanctity of marriage while they say nothing of the 50% plus divorce rate among hetero sexual couples. Conservatives are the ones who do not want sex education or safe sex practices taught or available in schools yet they do nothing to adopt all the unwanted children. They answer to “don’t have sexâ€. Yea, how’s that working for you?
The liberals are by no means perfect but guess what sparky, your sh!t stinks just as bad as mine.
BTW, can you explain to me why here in Dallas TX I cannot turn around with out seeing a strip club? Bible belt – repressed – strip clubs…. Makes sense to me.
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Look Flymeorion I never defended Mcveighs actions, in fact I stated emphatically what a repulsive and terrible thing he conspired and committed. I offered condolences for your loss, but it matters not to me that your aunt was a government employee, My Mom is a thirty year veteran (retired) with the USPS so I did not imply that just because they were government employees it made it justified as you seem to be misconstruing.
this is what I said:
Since you asked I'll tell you how Terrorism has effected my life. I worked for AA pre 9/11 and am still employed but many of my co-workers were killed in those two Hijacked AA planes that were used as missles to kill countless thousands of others, not to mention the thousands who were laid off because of the Major cutbacks due to the tailspin commercial aviation suffered in great part post 9/11. I will not mention the financial hit I took in part because of 9/11 because to me that is pale in comparrison to the loss of the afore mentioned.
You're not the only person who has been effected by terrorism flymeorion, so get over yourself!
what the hell does "Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity dribble and talking points". Have to do with it?
Unlike you liberals, I can make up my own mind without listening to your leftist media who delights in showing our brave Troops in body bags, and pictures of little children who have been blown to bits... :blink:
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First of all " we did not take over Iraq, Afghanistan, and are not trying to lure Syria and Iran into giving us cause to invade them." we liberated Iraq and are still helping the government set up a democracy free from tyranny and will leave when the new government feels they can stand alone. we launched a counterattack at the Al-Qaida whom were using Afghanistan as their terrorist training bases to conspire/launch attacks against US, Remember september 11, 2001?
ch.12 please explain how we are trying to lure Syria and Iran, seems Israel is Defending itself against the terrorist groups Hezzbola/Hamas, we are not in this fight,
Our troops are not in Lebanon. Seems Syria and Iran have already involved themselves by aiding/abetting the Terrorist who attacked and provoked Israel.
[qoute]"The truth is that there is a LONG history of occupation in the middle east. It started well before the U.S. existed (with the Crusades..."radical Christians") and continues to this day. The region has long been controlled by the U.K., Russia, and more recently the U.S." [/quote]You may want to rethink that abit, whats happening in that region is a Holy War with one religion hell bent on driving another into the Sea. It was happening before Christianity was founded, before Great Britain, Before Russia, and Before the U.S.A were even countries in their own right.
I've yet to see Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddahist, Or any other religion except for Islam strapping bombs around their waste walking into food markets, cafes, elementary schools etc.. and blowing up innocent people in order to get into heaven.
(cheering the deaths from Katrina?)...You really should quit listening to that leftist media spin machine, I think its brainwashing you.
You can pray any time you feel the need to. I just want to know why you feel that you need the government to authorize you to do so in school at a specified time each day. Why do you feel the need to take time away that is allocated to my education? Why are you not able to pray on your own time?
Wrong...children cannot pray in school without consequences. That's a direct result of liberals gone mad. I don't feel the government needs to authorize praying in school if one so chooses no matter what religion they are. Why do you feel you need the government to ban it? If you want to use the time to study or whatever have it big boy but when you tell me I can't pray you better bring a damn good reason to the rodeo or pick another horse to ride.
Also, as for your public displays on state or city property, if you get to put up a X-mass tree, I get to put up my pentagram. You don't have a problem with that right? After all, you are tolerant right?
If you've got the balls to put up your pentagram on public property then go ahead. I won't mess with it. I might disagree with it just like you'd disagree with our Christmas tree but you wouldn't mess with that right? You are tolerant enough to not mess with one of the holiest day in Christianity right? Oh yeah, never mind, that question has already been answered by the liberal left. So much for your tolerance.
They are scared of gays ruining the sanctity of marriage while they say nothing of the 50% plus divorce rate among hetero sexual couples. Conservatives are the ones who do not want sex education or safe sex practices taught or available in schools yet they do nothing to adopt all the unwanted children. They answer to “don’t have sexâ€. Yea, how’s that working for you?
Life would be so much better if we just allowed homosexuals to run everything right? Silly me. After all this is from a group that has brought us AIDS imagine what they could do for promoting family values. Just the type of place I'd want to live.
The liberals are by no means perfect but guess what sparky, your sh!t stinks just as bad as mine.
Never said it didn't now did I?
BTW, can you explain to me why here in Dallas TX I cannot turn around with out seeing a strip club? Bible belt – repressed – strip clubs…. Makes sense to me.
Nope...sure can't. I guess it's got a lot to do with people attending them and them making money. What does that have to do with the bible belt? One thing about Christianity is each one of us will have to answer for our missteps in life. Those that frequent such establishments will have to live with those consequences just like anyone else.
Wrong...children cannot pray in school without consequences. That's a direct result of liberals gone mad. I don't feel the government needs to authorize praying in school if one so chooses no matter what religion they are. Why do you feel you need the government to ban it? If you want to use the time to study or whatever have it big boy but when you tell me I can't pray you better bring a damn good reason to the rodeo or pick another horse to ride.
Also, as for your public displays on state or city property, if you get to put up a X-mass tree, I get to put up my pentagram. You don't have a problem with that right? After all, you are tolerant right?
If you've got the balls to put up your pentagram on public property then go ahead. I won't mess with it. I might disagree with it just like you'd disagree with our Christmas tree but you wouldn't mess with that right? You are tolerant enough to not mess with one of the holiest day in Christianity right? Oh yeah, never mind, that question has already been answered by the liberal left. So much for your tolerance.
They are scared of gays ruining the sanctity of marriage while they say nothing of the 50% plus divorce rate among hetero sexual couples. Conservatives are the ones who do not want sex education or safe sex practices taught or available in schools yet they do nothing to adopt all the unwanted children. They answer to “don’t have sexâ€. Yea, how’s that working for you?
Life would be so much better if we just allowed homosexuals to run everything right? Silly me. After all this is from a group that has brought us AIDS imagine what they could do for promoting family values. Just the type of place I'd want to live.
The liberals are by no means perfect but guess what sparky, your sh!t stinks just as bad as mine.
Never said it didn't now did I?
BTW, can you explain to me why here in Dallas TX I cannot turn around with out seeing a strip club? Bible belt – repressed – strip clubs…. Makes sense to me.
Nope...sure can't. I guess it's got a lot to do with people attending them and them making money. What does that have to do with the bible belt? One thing about Christianity is each one of us will have to answer for our missteps in life. Those that frequent such establishments will have to live with those consequences just like anyone else.
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Show me one law in one state or city anywhere in the US that says a person may not take a personal moment at any time of their choosing to pray. What you want is for the whole class, team or what ever too do it at the same time. That is against the law. As an individual, you may take a moment at any time as often as you want. There is no law in the land that threatens that right.
As far as public displays are concerned, if they are open to all faiths, I guess I would be ok with that. I would prefer that no displays be allowed on public property just due to the fact that I do not feel that personal, important religious beliefs belong in the public forum. The liberal left does not believe that religious displays belong on public property. I happen to agree with that viewpoint. Religion is a personal belief. Most individuals in this country have a private residence and they are able to put any display they feel appropriate on their private property. I fail to see why public property paid for with tax money should have displays on them.
I am not going to address the aids issue except to say that your connotation is offensive and irrelevant to the issue I brought up.
As far as public displays are concerned, if they are open to all faiths, I guess I would be ok with that. I would prefer that no displays be allowed on public property just due to the fact that I do not feel that personal, important religious beliefs belong in the public forum. The liberal left does not believe that religious displays belong on public property. I happen to agree with that viewpoint. Religion is a personal belief. Most individuals in this country have a private residence and they are able to put any display they feel appropriate on their private property. I fail to see why public property paid for with tax money should have displays on them.
I am not going to address the aids issue except to say that your connotation is offensive and irrelevant to the issue I brought up.
Garfield1966
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I was a ‘huge’ proponent to not go to war with Iraq because I knew that once we started this venture, we would be there for years if not decades. Well, here we are stuck in the middle of the mire when we did not have to be.
If we ‘cut and run’ like Kerry proposes, we may as well work with Iran to hand over the keys to the country (and look for the ‘real’ crap from these Islamic nuts in the future).
Weather our involvement in Iraq was justified or not is moot at this point.
Regardless………
We can all play the ‘shoulda coulda woulda’ game but that will not solve the problems that we are facing today.
JMHO, at this point, we have to be rational on our current situation.
We ‘as a country’ has made a commitment and we cannot back down now.
Yea, I know this is not ‘PC’ but it is a fact that these Islamic nuts are trying to kill us. They have been working to kill us for decades but because we are such a ‘PC’ country, we just keep giving these nuts a hug instead of kicking them in the balls (like we should DO/have not done).
At this point, we should step up our military presence exponentially. Quit pu$$y footing around and bring back the draft. Jump in with both feet, kick the #### out of the terrorists and stay there ‘just to help’
. If Iran wants a nuke, we should give them a few (just one at a time 
).
B) UT
If we ‘cut and run’ like Kerry proposes, we may as well work with Iran to hand over the keys to the country (and look for the ‘real’ crap from these Islamic nuts in the future).
Weather our involvement in Iraq was justified or not is moot at this point.
Regardless………
We can all play the ‘shoulda coulda woulda’ game but that will not solve the problems that we are facing today.
JMHO, at this point, we have to be rational on our current situation.
We ‘as a country’ has made a commitment and we cannot back down now.
Yea, I know this is not ‘PC’ but it is a fact that these Islamic nuts are trying to kill us. They have been working to kill us for decades but because we are such a ‘PC’ country, we just keep giving these nuts a hug instead of kicking them in the balls (like we should DO/have not done).
At this point, we should step up our military presence exponentially. Quit pu$$y footing around and bring back the draft. Jump in with both feet, kick the #### out of the terrorists and stay there ‘just to help’
. If Iran wants a nuke, we should give them a few (just one at a time ).B) UT
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Some very interesting Posts here Focals and I thank you for the entertainment. However, before I throw out a word, I'd like to read a tad more and perhaps load up on some History. My Tel Aviv trip 2 years ago was very interesting and perhaps I'll share some of the things I learned, while there, with you from the "Local Point of View".
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Just a reminder folks, we are still in Germany, Japan, Haiti, South Korea, and Kosovo. Please correct me if I am wrong. And one more thing, what good has the U.N. done?
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I was a ‘huge’ proponent to not go to war with Iraq because I knew that once we started this venture, we would be there for years if not decades. Well, here we are stuck in the middle of the mire when we did not have to be.
If we ‘cut and run’ like Kerry proposes, we may as well work with Iran to hand over the keys to the country (and look for the ‘real’ crap from these Islamic nuts in the future).
Weather our involvement in Iraq was justified or not is moot at this point.
Regardless………
We can all play the ‘shoulda coulda woulda’ game but that will not solve the problems that we are facing today.
JMHO, at this point, we have to be rational on our current situation.
We ‘as a country’ has made a commitment and we cannot back down now.
Yea, I know this is not ‘PC’ but it is a fact that these Islamic nuts are trying to kill us. They have been working to kill us for decades but because we are such a ‘PC’ country, we just keep giving these nuts a hug instead of kicking them in the balls (like we should DO/have not done).
At this point, we should step up our military presence exponentially. Quit pu$$y footing around and bring back the draft. Jump in with both feet, kick the #### out of the terrorists and stay there ‘just to help’
B) UT
The problem with the "stay the course" rationale for the invasion and occupation of Iraq is that the proponents of this action have been utterly, incontrovertibly wrong about everything right down the line. Many of the original reasons (they change every few months) for this war have proven to be outright lies. To now give credence to the claims that staying some undefined, open-ended "course" will at long last result in the desired outcome is wishful thinking at its worst, and is far from "rational". At some point you just have call b.s. We are past the point of any further benefit in this adventure. Saddam is gone, Iraq has a democratically elected government. It's time to declare victory and re-deploy our troops to be better prepared for these interesting times we live in.
Additionally, IMHO, having our military stuck in Iraq is hurting our national security and de-stabilizing the region. Our national interest is in no way served by clinging to failed policies. "Backing down" doesn't even enter into it. This is not a bunch of little boys playing a game of "chicken", this is about the future of the U.S.A. and the world.
I agree with you, in that if we are going to continue this course of empire, it will require a draft, about a trillion-dollar annual military budget, oh, and huge tax increases to pay for it all!
...and we have them in Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc, etc. We also have them in Macon, Newport News, Glendale, San Diego, Juneau, and so many other places. These are called bases. Sure...many of the international bases started when we were there for wars but they are all now just a way for us to have a global reach. I assure you that the deaths per decade in each of these bases is less than the deaths per day in Iraq. Horrible comparison that you tried to make.
And to use the UN as a scapegoat is ridiculous. The UN is just a multinational board...not a sovereign entity. They do not invade places but are rather in place for peace. Those that can remember WWs one and two know why the UN exists but the UN cannot enforce anything over renegade nations. It is meant to be a conglomorate of nations that work TOGETHER to try to maintain peace. The UN wanted to ensure that there truly were WMDs (you know...the reason that we actually used to invade Iraq before Cheney and Bush revised history to say that we were going to "liberate" the people) or programs to make them in Iraq and were taking exhaustive measures to find them. Bushie decided that he didn't want proof and that he really just wanted to settle his daddy's score so why not go it alone? The UN has no power to tackle such issues. So before you blame the UN for anything, you need to understand their purpose and scope of abilities.
And Local 12...haven't forgotten about you. I will spend some time on all of your canned talking points when i have more time.
No new taxes will be required. We will just continue slashing education and science funding. We have done well to trim down these "burdens" since 2000 and, in another threat to national security, are now starting to lag far behind other nations. But who needs to learn and discover?
