"southwest Effect" At Phl

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DOT's Domestic Airline Fares Consumer Report for 2Q04 and 3Q04 appeared last week, and the numbers for the third quarter provide some interesting measurements of the impact of Southwest's first two waves of service into PHL (28 daily flights) as well as the smaller impact of Frontier's entry into PHL, coupled with US Airways' GoFares response.

From a macro standpoint, Philadelphia went from being the 19th-most-expensive air travel market, with fares 20% above market averages, to being tied for the 48th-most-expensive market, with fares 2% below market averages, when comparing 3Q03 to 3Q04. Even more remarkable was the increase in quarterly O&D passenger traffic (in markets with more than 20 passengers per day), which increased from 2.759 million in 3Q03 to 3.752 million in 3Q04-- or 993,000 passengers. That's an increase of 10,800 O&D passengers per day, or 36%. And even though the average fare paid for travel to/from PHL dropped from $200 to $151 (nearly 25%), the total revenue generated by Philadelphia O&D traffic in the quarter actually increased by 2.7% from $552 million to $567 million.

Southwest also rapidly captured leading market share in PHL-PVD and PHL-MHT with over 60% of both markets; considerably lower average fares trumped US Airways' increased capacity on those routes. WN and US also very nearly split the PHL-RDU market, with US having a 3 point market share lead along with nearly 50% higher average fares.

O&D traffic in both the PHL-PVD and PHL-MHT markets simply exploded, increasing by over 1000% in both. In the quarter, the PHL-PVD and PHL-MHT markets, taken together, actually saw more passengers than the PHL-BOS market, in spite of some low-fare competition between PHL and BOS provided by AirTran. PHL-RDU traffic more than tripled.
 
PHL will probably become PVD's 3rd or 4th largest market from being in the 20's. PHL average fares were THE highest from PVD, now they are the lowest (328.00 to 57.00). Average daily one-way passengers went from about 150 per day to almost 1100!!!! WOW.
 
Any time to compare to BWI markets? I am wondering if PHL stole traffic back from BWI, or if it generated new traffic, or both. That might be tough to measure though, with Independence Air also potentially stealing BWI passengers in the 3Q.
 
From PVD BWI numbers were down almost 13% for the 3rd quarter 04, but still average a whopping 1573 passengers per day! PVD-BWI had a great 2Q04, as it had it's best 2Q ever at an avg of 1787 pax per day.
 
markkus757 said:
From PVD BWI numbers were down almost 13% for the 3rd quarter 04, but still average a whopping 1573 passengers per day! PVD-BWI had a great 2Q04, as it had it's best 2Q ever at an avg of 1787 pax per day.
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GOOD! BWI is unappreciative of Southwest and what it's done for its's airport. We are still making the revenue just some where else.
 
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whlinder said:
Any time to compare to BWI markets? I am wondering if PHL stole traffic back from BWI, or if it generated new traffic, or both. That might be tough to measure though, with Independence Air also potentially stealing BWI passengers in the 3Q.

Mostly new traffic as far as I can tell. BWI to PVD, MHT, and RDU all seemed to be down by about 10%, but that was far less in absolute numbers than the traffic that WN picked up at PHL. Moreover, I believe that Independence did have an effect -- you can see increases in traffic from WAS to all three cities, ranging from 63% on WAS-RDU to 237% on WAS-MHT, even though DH was on those routes for only part of the quarter.

Besides, even if WN is stealing a bit of their own traffic from BWI, that is certainly better than having someone else steal it at PHL.
 
Below are the top 50 O&D destinations from PHL for 3Q 2004

CityST Passengers/Day One-wayFare LgstCarrier LgstMktShare
LgstOne-WayFare

Chicago, IL 3049.02 113.05 UA 27.04 136.89
Orlando, FL 2799.23 101.85 US 48.83 105.74
Atlanta, GA 2070.32 129.77 DL 62.47 135.08
Los Angeles, CA 2051.63 161.88 US 41.47 165.06
Boston, MA 1887.06 82.84 US 63.19 89.49
Las Vegas, NV 1839.34 137.06 US 49.44 140.92
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 1477.17 103.87 US 49.86 105.99
Raleigh/Durham, NC 1464.34 61.37 US 43.59 68.18
Tampa, FL 1409.45 104.79 US 54.66 107.48
San Francisco, CA 1226.63 221.22 US 41.97 216.97
Providence, RI 1092.93 57.39 WN 63.64 47.84
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX 1032.06 247.49 AA 56.47 268.95
Denver, CO 1019.13 177.89 US 34.95 167.01
Houston, TX 976.3 157.07 CO 46.37 165.02
Manchester, NH 950 56.53 WN 62.92 46.02
Phoenix, AZ 935.86 153 HP 34.68 163.91
Seattle, WA 767.28 188.61 US 47.3 198.49
San Diego, CA 754.34 177.82 US 44.35 193.62
Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN 736.84 244.16 NW 52.38 288.82
West Palm Beach, FL 721.63 105.3 US 63.2 108.64
Detroit, MI 622.39 230.83 NW 62.29 246.07
St. Louis, MO 541.3 167.47 AA 56.82 172.15
New Orleans, LA 504.78 138.29 US 54.69 141.1
Nashville, TN 465.21 126.91 US 71.44 125.34
Miami, FL 426.08 148.79 AA 48.31 134.92
Jacksonville, FL 422.93 138.91 US 71.78 134.4
Pittsburgh, PA 421.84 265.9 US 86.96 272.51
Kansas City, MO 414.13 155.39 US 64.64 154.07
Indianapolis, IN 403.8 151.98 US 83.31 146.09
Milwaukee, WI 318.8 162.08 YX 45.07 175.48
Salt Lake City, UT 317.39 184.77 DL 75.41 183.11
Charlotte, NC 314.89 328.07 US 83.56 343.84
Ft. Myers, FL 297.17 141.02 US 77.9 139.7
Cincinnati, OH 266.63 225.99 DL 68.89 227.76
Portland, OR 255.65 211.41 UA 30.18 239.3
Columbus, OH 245.43 254.11 US 82.01 260.01
Cleveland, OH 244.78 277.49 US 49.15 258.87
Memphis, TN 214.23 217.43 NW 69.45 225.87
San Jose/Palo Alto, CA 208.15 191.2 UA 26.84 208.47
Sacramento, CA 205.1 186.21 HP 32.11 171.4
Austin, TX 204.45 209.78 AA 36.78 227.53
San Antonio, TX 202.82 192.51 AA 31.29 197.94
Santa Ana, CA 192.6 218.3 HP 34.59 181.37
Albuquerque, NM 179.45 180.48 CO 22.47 144.78
Dayton, OH 164.78 164.24 US 62.13 172.45
Louisville, KY 161.63 170.96 US 75.05 163.53
Oakland/Berkeley, CA 150.76 196.25 WN 34.31 153.54
Savannah, GA 149.02 137.04 US 51.05 137.95
Birmingham, AL 146.63 153.63 US 59.22 151.02
Ontario, CA 129.78 190.23 HP 35.76 183.56
 
Something badly needs to be done to make the security checkpoint for the SWA gates at PHL handle passenger screening better. It looks like something you'd see in a 3rd world country. The TSA simply can't handle the crush of passengers. They need to expand the area and add more lanes.

SWA also needs more gates.

All in all, with 45 minute taxi times to T/O, SWA might should have gone to Allentown instead.
 
Whatnow? said:
Welcome to Philly! :up:
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Well maybe some of the problems will be solved (not necessarily pro-actively) in the near future, but in the meantime the crummy PHL airport and it's infrastructure is a reflection of the lousy airport management that runs it and the lame management that it's primary tenant carrier had all these years to solve problems. Of course scheduling 80% of your fleet to depart and arrive in the same 45 minute period is incredibly stupid and sulf fulfilling to creating delays and high fuel costs. Stupid stupid stupid.

I want to take a shower after walking through some of the terminal areas and dealing with the cramped lines at TSA at the SWA checkpoint. The whole place and how it operates reminds me of when I flew into some communist Eastern European and Soviet airports in the early 80's. The people of Phliadelphia should be screaming to officials to get with it and join the modern age of pleasant airports such as MCO, LAS, and TPA.
 
Cfm56 said:
The people of Phliadelphia should be screaming to officials to get with it and join the modern age of pleasant airports such as MCO, LAS, and TPA.

...maybe the people of "Filthydelphia" deserve what they've got...
:p
 
Cfm56 said:
Well maybe some of the problems will be solved (not necessarily pro-actively) in the near future, but in the meantime the crummy PHL airport and it's infrastructure is a reflection of the lousy airport management that runs it and the lame management that it's primary tenant carrier had all these years to solve problems. Of course scheduling 80% of your fleet to depart and arrive in the same 45 minute period is incredibly stupid and sulf fulfilling to creating delays and high fuel costs. Stupid stupid stupid.

I want to take a shower after walking through some of the terminal areas and dealing with the cramped lines at TSA at the SWA checkpoint. The whole place and how it operates reminds me of when I flew into some communist Eastern European and Soviet airports in the early 80's. The people of Phliadelphia should be screaming to officials to get with it and join the modern age of pleasant airports such as MCO, LAS, and TPA.
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I find it laughable that you blame Usairways along with PHL. airport management for being "crummy"...

If what you say is true, What does that say about Southwest's management's decision to fly into PHL ? Stupid ? , Lame ?

It's a shame that mean ole Usairways will not adjust their schedule to accomodate Southwest.....The nerve of those people.... :ph34r:
 
insp89 said:
I find it laughable that you blame Usairways along with PHL. airport management for being "crummy"...

If what you say is true, What does that say about Southwest's management's decision to fly into PHL ? Stupid ? , Lame ?

It's a shame that mean ole Usairways will not adjust their schedule to accomodate Southwest.....The nerve of those people.... :ph34r:
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Don't worry, SWA will eventually have changes made to the TSA security checkpoints in PHL and one way or another, market forces will eventually force USAiways to adjust their schedule and there is something else going on behind the scenes regarding ATC in PHL but it will be a slow progression. The PHL airport managerial people in all phases of the airport operation are very slow to move and don't like working hard to make positive change and making thier airport a more pleasant place to transit.
 
Cfm56 said:
Don't worry, SWA will eventually have changes made to the TSA security checkpoints in PHL and one way or another, market forces will eventually force USAiways to adjust their schedule and there is something else going on behind the scenes regarding ATC in PHL but it will be a slow progression. The PHL airport managerial people in all phases of the airport operation are very slow to move and don't like working hard to make positive change and making thier airport a more pleasant place to transit.
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Forced efficiency.

WN can restrict growth in PHL until they make changes. With PIT opening up and the new "A" pier in BWI opening in a few weeks. The pending merger of U and HP which may reduce gates of their biggest carrier. All these influences should put pressure on PHL to change if they want to see more flights from WN.
 
wnbubbleboy said:
Forced efficiency.

WN can restrict growth in PHL until they make changes. With PIT opening up and the new "A" pier in BWI opening in a few weeks. The pending merger of U and HP which may reduce gates of their biggest carrier. All these influences should put pressure on PHL to change if they want to see more flights from WN.
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You guys are hysterical.......NOTHING will change in Philly, not even under the presence of the "Golden Child Airline". The Airport is at overcapacity and US isn't going to back down much more than they already have, not even with a merger with HP. Again, welcome to Philly! It only gets better from here! :up:
 

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