So Much Bitterness

[Doc]

I am pissed as much as the next guy about how the company treats its employees but if you all hate it so much.... why do you stay?? I mean really!!! I know we have been screwed over many times, but if you continue this negativity your just hurting the bottom line and if you think you can hurt Dave and his gang of thieves buy being negative you are mistaken. They will end up on top no matter what. Remember you are in a customer based industry and no matter what you think about what you’re selling they still bought a ticket on our airline just try to not make them think they made a mistake and they will come back. We have a good product…… LUV is going to bring more international psgrs to PHL and we will not be hurt as much as top executives want you to think.

Again just one mans opinion…….

 

[usairwaysfan]

I just wanted to chime in about a LCC feeding a legacy carrier. I am going to Athens, Greece in February. The only way to get to JFK from upstate New York is to take JetBlue. I have never flown them before (check out my name). However, I had no choice.

I imagine that Southwest will help US Airways' international division by bringing more passengers into PHL.

I am trying to look on the positive side of this frustrating situation.

 

[ZMAN777]

…… LUV is going to bring more international psgrs to PHL and we will not be hurt as much as top executives want you to think.

Please explain this one! Or do you mean to say a number of their pax will then go to connect to Int'l flights of other carriers? If that is the case, then U will have to work hard to insure those same pax select U for their Int'l travel vs BA, Lufthansa, etc. Make sense?

I think your rationale here is flawed. If they haven't selected U to fly into PHL (whether mainline or express) why would they necessarily select U to fly onto Europe?

For example, I don't think anyone will get on WN at MDW so they can connect to a U jet at PHL to fly to LGW! They'll just drive over to ORD and hop UAL, AMR, or BA and go direct to LHR. The same can be said for most other connections unless U has some very exclusive destinations in Europe that one can't get to from a myriad of other hubs across the US.

Cheers,
Z B)

 

[4merresrat]

I am pissed as much as the next guy about how the company treats its employees but if you all hate it so much.... why do you stay?? I mean really!!! I know we have been screwed over many times, but if you continue this negativity your just hurting the bottom line and if you think you can hurt Dave and his gang of thieves buy being negative you are mistaken. They will end up on top no matter what. Remember you are in a customer based industry and no matter what you think about what you’re selling they still bought a ticket on our airline just try to not make them think they made a mistake and they will come back. We have a good product…… LUV is going to bring more international psgrs to PHL and we will not be hurt as much as top executives want you to think.

Again just one mans opinion…….

I agree completely, Doc. I have asked that question several times. The answer is always the same.... they have worked for the company many years, they put their lifeblood into it. Yes, the company was a great place to work, in many ways for many years. The benefits were great, and for many, longevity, seniority was all it took. But now, times are tough and it is always kill the mesenger. Blame it on management and the higher ups. I agree, the negativity, and bitterness definately doesn't help.

 

[wings396]

How can one not be bitter after becoming part of the working poor? Those of us that have been "Expressed" are being paid poverty level wages and depend on govenment handouts to feed our families. And yes most of us have 20+ years and hate to leave after this long. I for one have only stayed on with hopes of another carrier buying us someday or "Better Days". Maybe neither will materialize, and after waiting a few years several of us will leave this company behind. It is near impossible to not be bitter after giving it your all with this end result. The financial pain that has be inflicted upon some of the workforce is pathetic. The Mainline Express group is paid $3-$4 an hour less than a few carriers express divisions. Maybe for those who have not been hit as hard it is easier to not be so Bitter.
It is no secret to anyone on this board that this Airline has been mismanaged for the past 15 years. Most of the workforce has done their absolute best to no avail.
Do you think that if the "Bottom Line" improves that any of us will reap the benefits????? The boys at the top will, but not any of us.

 

[4merresrat]

How can one not be bitter after becoming part of the working poor? Those of us that have been "Expressed" are being paid poverty level wages and depend on govenment handouts to feed our families. And yes most of us have 20+ years and hate to leave after this long. I for one have only stayed on with hopes of another carrier buying us someday or "Better Days". Maybe neither will materialize, and after waiting a few years several of us will leave this company behind. It is near impossible to not be bitter after giving it your all with this end result. The financial pain that has be inflicted upon some of the workforce is pathetic. The Mainline Express group is paid $3-$4 an hour less than a few carriers express divisions. Maybe for those who have not been hit as hard it is easier to not be so Bitter.
It is no secret to anyone on this board that this Airline has been mismanaged for the past 15 years. Most of the workforce has done their absolute best to no avail.
Do you think that if the "Bottom Line" improves that any of us will reap the benefits????? The boys at the top will, but not any of us.

How can one not be bitter, you ask. Being bitter is a choice, as Doc said, you also have a choice, to stay with the company, or to leave. Usairways employees have always been compensated monetarily, atleast, very fairly, and competitively. You atleast have to admit that. Yes, for a long time we had excellent pay and benefits. I know atleast for reservations, we were payed MUCH more than other phone centers. Now things are tougher, yes. But one doesn't have to stay, you can seek other employment or stay and accept the current pay. And the part about "The working poor" I think that is a bit exagerated. I'm sure I will be blasted off the board for this post, that's what happens if one dare goes against the "Poor me" attitude................

 

[delldude]

you deal with this negativity day in day out,this has gone on for years and years.....one bad rumor after another..people have commited suicide over this crap.a never ending story for me of about 18 years now...why don't i leave?well the pay for my area is high and until we sink or swim i can't top this wage in my town.
so i'm here for the floor show.

 

[Rudy]

What people forget when it comes to relationships...be it marriages, friendships,or business relationships or whatever...is the fact that the law of planting and reaping applies. This is true even if one is not aware of the principle (much the same way that the laws of aerodynamics worked hundreds of years ago even though mankind was unaware).

There is much bitterness at U because much has been sown. It is impossible to plant tomatoes and reap cantoloupes.

To prove my point, just go on a street corner and flip the bird at several cars. It won't take long to see the gesture returned in kind.

Likewise do something kind for a neighbor such as shoveling a snowy driveway or whatever. It usually does not take long to see something good return.

This is not brain surgury. This is how Herb gets SW agents to go the extra mile. Harvard Business school doesn't have a clue on this one.....

Rudy

 

[cavalier]

you deal with this negativity day in day out,this has gone on for years and years.....one bad rumor after another..people have commited suicide over this crap.a never ending story for me of about 18 years now...why don't i leave?well the pay for my area is high and until we sink or swim i can't top this wage in my town.
so i'm here for the floor show.

On the suicides comment. Yes, I can vouch for that. In the last several years I can think of as many people who did themselves in, one was a personal friend of mine, I knew him before his time at U. Only one of those suicides received enough attention that CCY send some mental health personnel to talk to the employees who worked in the same general area. I found out later that the reason they even sent mental health personnel in that instance was someone called and expressed concern over the number of suicides in that one department. These shrink people came, one man and one women and talked to us like we were buds or something for a few hours, and left never to return. I know U has mental health personnel but other than mass suicides being committed, I have no idea why they are here or what they do. Maybe government mandated or something and why they are employed at U? The people complaining that people are taking sick time frivolously need to understand that there is also a thing called mental health as well as physical heath and it affects workers as much or even more than physical aliments. I really feel that there has been so many suicides in just that one area in such a small amount of time that it would warrant a case study. Delldude knows what I am talking about as well as many other posters on here. Tis life at the forever uplifting U.

 

[Doc]

I'm just saying that you will go much further where ever you are not wearing your emotions on your sleves, at work I see so much ^%&^%& from employees that its getting ulgy.
Think the last time you non reved if you were treated nicely, And if thats the way they treat you OMG imagin how they treat our customers. I'm telling you to go out of your way to be nice and you will feel better about yuor J O B even if our leaders are idiots.....

 

[robbedagain]

In this day an age, it is very hard to find a job, especially one that has the benefits that this airline has. and for those who also enjoy planes I understand it is hard to leave, even after 20 yrs, but the mismanagement could have been prevented by doing some of the ordinary things such as rolling hubs instead of letting the planes sit for 2.5 or more or less hrs on the ground. it is of no wonder this airline is in the shape that it is in. we on the ramp alone gave back some 2 billion and the gangsters of ccy still cant make it fly, well then they have to go figure out what to do because we are finished giving up money to those thieves and gangsters of ccy!

 

[700UW]

Lets see we are all suppose to be happy when:

Some of us have taken massive pay cuts
Paying more for insurance on top of the paycuts
20,000 of our fellow employees on the street
Dave and his gang stealing the IAM Mechanic and Related work
More Layoffs
More cries of poverty from Dave
Constant lies from management
Total disregrad of labor agreements.

Yep I am suppose to be so happy after these things occur.

 

[wings396]

I can tell you first hand that if you have to support a family on $13, you are not Middle Class. Yes, I did have the choice to stay and I did. I stayed for the Medical benefits and not much more. I may decide to transfer in the near future and wanted to keep my foot in the door for a while longer. After 25 years, it is not as simple as it sounds to "Just Quit" if you don't like it. Many here will start to shop around for another job and leave when the time is right,not when the Company Hammer drops on them.

 

[4merresrat]

I can tell you first hand that if you have to support a family on $13, you are not Middle Class. Yes, I did have the choice to stay and I did. I stayed for the Medical benefits and not much more. I may decide to transfer in the near future and wanted to keep my foot in the door for a while longer. After 25 years, it is not as simple as it sounds to "Just Quit" if you don't like it. Many here will start to shop around for another job and leave when the time is right,not when the Company Hammer drops on them.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. gansters,etc. If you can't support a family on your salary at U, with all due respect, and I do not mean this in a cold-hearted way, then maybe you should check out alternatives, or go back to school for something that will enable you to support your family. Things change, life changes, life isn't always fair. But complaining and going on about the way it use to be, or the way it should be does not help.

 

[wings396]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. gansters,etc. If you can't support a family on your salary at U, with all due respect, and I do not mean this in a cold-hearted way, then maybe you should check out alternatives, or go back to school for something that will enable you to support your family. Things change, life changes, life isn't always fair. But complaining and going on about the way it use to be, or the way it should be does not help.

It is VERY obvious that you still earn a decent wage with this company, if not you must be a CCY Cheerleader or something. You don't know me, my age, my financial requirements or anything else....so to sum it all up, Dont' tell me or anyone else here what we could or should do...Until you walk in my shoes, you have no clue. I wish it was all that simple to leave, go back to school, get another career and support the family and provide medical benefits all at the same time. If you have anything else to throw in , PM me so that I may rip you without being delted from the Board!!!! I can do nothing more than wish you the same fate as many of us here have met.