eolesen
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Perhaps because it had to do with pension obligations and the anticipated retirement curve as people hit their best out of X? Age plays a pretty big part in when people retire...
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Perhaps because it had to do with pension obligations and the anticipated retirement curve as people hit their best out of X? Age plays a pretty big part in when people retire...
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You gotta love people like eolesen who love to use the term "pension obligations," conspicuously making it sound like a burden.. For them, it's an "obligation", but for a privileged executive it's his/her "market demanded compensation package"
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<_< ------ Good answeer! Thank you!
Hopeful
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No, even the rich bastard management plan is an "obligation" of the company.
I use the term "obligation" a lot - it simply means that which is required of you from a legal and/or moral perspective. Like the pensions.
I've posted before that I wanted airlines to liquidate and shut down if they couldn't meet their "obligations." As expected, many of the perpetually disgruntled whined about my harsh viewpoint. No management should have ever been able to terminate their pension obligations and screw their retired (and current) pilots the way US, UA and DL did.
Is there a word meaning the same thing as "obligation" that doesn't carry so much emotional baggage for you? I certainly don't want to offend any delicate sensibilities when describing contractual obligations like pensions.
Hate Arpey and his cronies for everything under the sun. Hate him for the sun coming up and going down if you wish.
But he did show a lot more commitment to the employee pensions than management at any other legacy airline, causing AA to contribute more than $2 billion to the plans the last few years while the other airlines gave their employees the middle finger.
I realize that AA's failure (refusal, delay, whatever) to file Ch 11 makes many of you furious - probably because many of you repeated yourselves over and over again in 2003 and 2004 and 2005 and 2006 etc. that AA would soon file Ch 11 and terminate the pensions even after imposing the huge concessions - and Arpey's persistence in funding the pensions anyway and refusing to file for bankruptcy protection means you were WRONG. Everyone hates to be wrong, but you guys elevate that hatred to an art form.
AA will likely file sometime in the future, meaning you guys will finally be right (just a few years early in your prediction).
I also realize that AA would be the land of milk and honey and represented employees would annoint Arpey's feet if only he'd canceled his (and other managers') variable compensation payouts in 2006, 2007 and this year. Shame on him for taking what his contract promised him if AMR outperformed the other airlines' stock values over the relevant timeframe. May he rot in hell for taking the other half of his compensation package for successfully avoiding bankruptcy for several years beyond the filings of US, UA, US, DL and NW.
The offer still stands. Form an independent union of AA AMTs and I'll send you $100 to help the effort.
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------- I'de send you one Eric, but it might have a "TWU" on the back! I use mine when I have to change the oil on my pickup! ------- Yes, I still change my own!!! 
In another thread, I just upped my offer to $110 so as to cover the cost of my t-shirt.
I'm waiting, disgruntled mechanics.
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Quite right. I remember when I was laid off at LAX. The layoff meetings for AA and TWA LLC were separate because of the differences in the TWU/IAM contracts.
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<_< ------- Hopeful, just got word today that they're going to put 40 MD80 "B" checks into here (MCI)! Along with everything else, does it sound like they plan on closing this place? :huh: :bleh:
Hopeful
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Well that's good news for MCI....Please don't think I was hoping for the base to shut down. All I was saying was that AA will do whatever it needs to do regardless of "commitments.
Now, for the 40 "B" checks....does that mean you guys will get 40 and when that number is reached, it means "then what?"
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<_< ----- Hopeful, let's hope none of the bases are closed! But being realistic about it, I also realize anything is possible! As for what happens after the 40? I have no idea! ------ Let's see if it really comes to be first! I got it from a reliable source, but things do have a habit of changing at the last minute! As for 4-10-01! In some places, that's not too bad! And getting better every day!
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<_< ----- Like I said, " Anythings possible!"
