Separation of Church and State?
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From Wiki.....You can resource it for accuracy....I ain't in the mood.
From 1780 Massachusetts had a system which required every man to belong to a church, and permitted each church to tax its members, but forbade any law requiring that it be of any particular denomination. This was objected to, as in practice establishing the Congregational Church, the majority denomination, and was abolished in 1833.
Until 1877 the New Hampshire Constitution required members of the State legislature to be of the Protestant religion.
The North Carolina Constitution of 1776 disestablished the Anglican church, but until 1835 the NC Constitution allowed only Protestants to hold public office. From 1835-1876 it allowed only Christians (including Catholics) to hold public office. Article VI, Section 8 of the current NC Constitution forbids only atheists from holding public office.[10] Such clauses were held by the United States Supreme Court to be unenforceable in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, when the court ruled unanimously that such clauses constituted a religious test incompatible with First and Fourteenth Amendment protections.
Religious Tolerance for Catholics with an Established Church of England was policy in the former Spanish Colonies of East and West Florida while under British rule.
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All you just said was that the state was violating the COTUS and the state was not reversed till someone brought the vase before the SCOTUS. As far as I am aware, the SCOTUS has not had a different stance on the 1st. The fact that states or cities had laws that violated the the law is not the issue nor is it new news.
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How the hell you think things end up at the Supreme court?
Most of those things listed went on for more than a lifetime.
Looks like you can't hold office in NC to this day....LOL
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Perhaps there is a failure to communicate. As I understand this, your OP had to due with the idea of separation of church and state. That is a federal concept that applies to the states. When an issue arises on a state level that contradicts the idea of separation, it will eventually go before the SCOTUS. While states may cross the line, when ever it has gone before the courts, the standard of the separation clause has always remained the same as far as I am aware.
All I am arguing is your original post. There is a separation of church and state. It is well defined and clearly defined in the 1st amendment. Whether or not Congress or the states have violated the Constitution or not is not at question. The court has maintained the same stance on the issue when ever the issue has been brought before them.
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We already know your stance on the issue, since Government is your God !
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My post Ace.....
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Well LAME BRAIN, since your filling us all in, on what another person "Bows to, and the specific CHURCH in which he does so,
Now I have a question for you.
WHO do you BOW to, and at which Church ???
We'll ALL wait patiently, for your RESPONSE, ASSUMING that you HAVE ONE,....OR, are keeping your Cards-close-to-your-vest ??????
TICK....TICK.......TICK !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dell's post #52: God vs. Gov’t: What Does the Constitution Really Say About the Separation of Church and State?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What this is saying is that Congress CANNOT tell a church how to preach its religion. READ MY LIPS: CHRIST ALREADY SEPARATED CHURCH AND STATE QUIT LETTING THE, a-hem, ATHEIST GETTING CREDIT FOR IT!!! Matthew 22:20-22, and Mark 121:17. God doesn't belong in Government ands Government doesn't belong in God. God and Government are the Muslim belief not the Christians.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What this is saying is that Congress CANNOT tell a church how to preach its religion. READ MY LIPS: CHRIST ALREADY SEPARATED CHURCH AND STATE QUIT LETTING THE, a-hem, ATHEIST GETTING CREDIT FOR IT!!! Matthew 22:20-22, and Mark 121:17. God doesn't belong in Government ands Government doesn't belong in God. God and Government are the Muslim belief not the Christians.
