RowUnderDCA
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hmmm... so Bulscu only posts about the possibility of a UA/Co merger on the UA bb?
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Senority in a merger with UA
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featheroleather
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How bout continent AL+TED?Just saw that if they merged the two airlines that they would keep part of each airlines name..............The new one would be called Continental "Airlines"
Then all we would need is Bob and Carrol.(From the movie Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice) 
Dea Certe
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jimintx,
I usually agree with you on most things, but I don't believe the Date of Hire is an AFL-CIO thing. It's an AFA Bylaw. And the right thing to do. No one can change the date they were born or the the day they decided to fill out an application or the day they were hired. Heaven knows, if I could change my birthday by a few years, without out-right lying and being betrayed by the lines on my face, I'd do it in a minute! Sadly, plastic surgery scares me! God save me from Trout Lips!
However, I would be loath to give up my experience and knowlege of the world. Date of hire just seems fair to me. Regardless of what end of the stick I end up on! It's worked at all AFA carriers with little anomosity. And very little feuding.
Yes, I lost numbers when the Trump Shuttle was integrated, but I know in my heart it was the right thing to do.
Dea
767jetz
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You are correct. DOH has nothing to do with the AFL-CIO. Each union has their own rule wrt mergers and aquisitions. ALPA for example specifically omits DOH from their merger language, and instead has a list of guidelines that include career expectations and avoiding windfalls for either group.
Each employee group is different as well due to specifics of the job. ei: Ramp worker are pretty much tied to one location; FA's are qualified to fly multiple aircraft; Pilots are qualified on only one airplane and seat, and pay is directly related to position and aircraft type.
767jetz
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Will Washington approve a merger between the major airlines? That is the important question...(How long before news media will start yakking about the higher fares?!)
Now, AAI, ALK, JBLU would be a good addition to some domestic and foreign airlines?!
Now, AAI, ALK, JBLU would be a good addition to some domestic and foreign airlines?!
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I think everyone needs to take a good look at the AWA/US merger. This merger was easily pushed through NOT because US Airways was about to fold, but because of what US Airways gave back....60 aircraft. Folks, we can all talk about dream mergers all we want, but the industry is STILL overcapacitated regardless of high loads out there. The new US Airways is now pretty much right sized. I can NOT see the govt merging in UAL and CAL as it is now.
Someone mention after UAL goes thru Ch 11 again. I'm afraid that would be the only way a merger of such would go through as then companies like GE would have much more say on ac returned. All of that is speculative at this point as the business plan at UAL might be such that the current capacity is needed.
A done deal? There have been two announcements that caught me off card. 1.The UAL/US merger annoucement and 2. The AWA/US merger announcement
BELIEVE ME me, if there IS any merger, it will come when you least expect it and with probably with someone unexpected.
As far as senority. This isn't the CAL OF THE '80's. They are a force to be reckoned with, well managed, and alot more careful about stupid decisions.
I feel United CAN stand alone. With their extensive route network, I can't imagine any other legacy showing CONSISTANT profits if they can't.
My prediction of a merger IF there is one? Don't laugh...AirTran. Why? Still small enough to tranform to a fleet of all 737 or 320's, a less senior work force, low cost in place and most importantly...a network in the SE that UAL lacks. Then again, if your cost structure is truly where it should be, expand alone.
If UAL remains strong, I think they will go at it alone. If Ch 22 is needed, yeah, it will happen, but I will be willing to bet minus an additional 100-150 ac.
As far as American? I think it is no secret that the AA/TWA merger was reactionary in response to the US/UAL proposed merger. I'll be willing to bet AA will NOT make the same mistake twice...oops, I forgot AirCal.
I think everyone needs to take a good look at the AWA/US merger. This merger was easily pushed through NOT because US Airways was about to fold, but because of what US Airways gave back....60 aircraft. Folks, we can all talk about dream mergers all we want, but the industry is STILL overcapacitated regardless of high loads out there. The new US Airways is now pretty much right sized. I can NOT see the govt merging in UAL and CAL as it is now.
Someone mention after UAL goes thru Ch 11 again. I'm afraid that would be the only way a merger of such would go through as then companies like GE would have much more say on ac returned. All of that is speculative at this point as the business plan at UAL might be such that the current capacity is needed.
A done deal? There have been two announcements that caught me off card. 1.The UAL/US merger annoucement and 2. The AWA/US merger announcement
BELIEVE ME me, if there IS any merger, it will come when you least expect it and with probably with someone unexpected.
As far as senority. This isn't the CAL OF THE '80's. They are a force to be reckoned with, well managed, and alot more careful about stupid decisions.
I feel United CAN stand alone. With their extensive route network, I can't imagine any other legacy showing CONSISTANT profits if they can't.
My prediction of a merger IF there is one? Don't laugh...AirTran. Why? Still small enough to tranform to a fleet of all 737 or 320's, a less senior work force, low cost in place and most importantly...a network in the SE that UAL lacks. Then again, if your cost structure is truly where it should be, expand alone.
If UAL remains strong, I think they will go at it alone. If Ch 22 is needed, yeah, it will happen, but I will be willing to bet minus an additional 100-150 ac.
As far as American? I think it is no secret that the AA/TWA merger was reactionary in response to the US/UAL proposed merger. I'll be willing to bet AA will NOT make the same mistake twice...oops, I forgot AirCal.
To correct a previous post: TWA was not in BK. BK was a condition of the merger to abrogate our CBAs, get rid of lease agreements, and most importantly, undo the Ichan Agreement.
No TWA f/a has ever wanted to get anything on the backs of an AA f/a. As far as pay, it is well known that even with the increase in pay, most of us made less because of the archaic work rules. AND we had to fly more days to make that "less" amount. In addition, we had to pay for substandard insurance and more for all benefits. I personally lost a 14% 401K contirbution, my FSM(purser) position, the ability to fly Intn., and ultimately my career. And this all happened with the "ironclad" "industry leading" SCOPE that the IAM GAVE away. In reality there is no such animal as a labor protective provision. BK can pick and choose what will be honored in a contract. I would still love to be able to tell the IRS, my mortgage company etal that fuel prices are up, tuition is up, groceries are up so I won't be able to honor my contracts. (and not face any consequences)
DOH is fair IF the seniorities of both groups are somewhat equal. I believe that the intent of the Allegheny Mohawk is that you should be able to "hold" comparable to what you held at your former Co. With the TWA-AA acquisition, it would have (should have) been 4-1 (4 AA to 1 TW). Oh well, it didn't happen and I hope others will learn from what happened to us. No furlough clauses would have been more important and should be a part of any and every future agreement.
JungleClone
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Of course Washington will approve a merger of UA/CO. Sure, there'd probably be a few carve-outs to appease the other airlines that are sure to complain. Keep in mind that the DOJ DID NOT scuttle UA's bid to merge with US Airways. UA pulled the plug on the deal. But since openly doing so would have subjected them to a sizeable fee paid to US Airways, they instead had their sizeable lobbying power let the DOJ know that they no longer wanted the deal. So DOJ helped them save face. The planets are aligned for consolidation in the industry, even though it will be plenty painful for the employees of each company involved.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe UAL paid US $50M for renigging when they could least afford it.
Nor'Easta
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I'll be willing to bet AA will NOT make the same mistake twice...oops, I forgot AirCal.
Oops, you meant three times...Reno Air!
If UA & CO merge; I would bet that AA will go after NW.
[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='368653' date='Apr 1 2006, 01:38 AM']If UA & CO merge; I would bet that AA will go after NW.[/quote]
My prediction is that AA announces a deal to take over much of (but not all of) NW as soon as its labor deals are all sealed and that UA announces its takeover of much of (but not all of) Delta just as soon as it beats its pilots into submission.
My prediction is that AA announces a deal to take over much of (but not all of) NW as soon as its labor deals are all sealed and that UA announces its takeover of much of (but not all of) Delta just as soon as it beats its pilots into submission.
Just saw that if they merged the two airlines that they would keep part of each airlines name..............The new one would be called Continental "Airlines"
hahahaha, nice
i sure hope they dont merge...im hoping to start with CO as a bag thrower this summer and i definitely dont want to be working for UA....
my dads a 777FO for CO and i remember when i first heard the merger rumor 4-5 months ago...and now hes saying it may not go through...who knows...ive got my fingers cross they dont...
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