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Hey Teddy.....AFA MEC says "Self Help" is your opinion only......Whats the deal??
Self Help
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PITbull
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Jennyann said:
I don't know what Teddy's opinion is...but "self help" means also engaging in picketing, leafleting etc...
The MEC isn't thinking about anything but trying to reach a T/A only IF possible.
Everything has to be brought to membership vote, and if the members don't ratify, well guess what could happen?
Your local president needs to educate you and spend the time to do that. Then, folks in other bases whould not have to sign up for only the PIT-Eline.
USA320Pilot
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The judge will likely not permit self help.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
Harry Callahan
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I guess this is the painful clause!
ClueByFour
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USA320Pilot said:
This statement is incorrect and without any supporting evidence at all.
In point of fact, what you are suggesting has never happened since the enaction of S1113 and S1114.
Remember how you told us that ALPA's legal advisor's indicated that the judge will side with the company on everything? You will note that the one thing that he denied the company was their request to outsource everything in the event of attrition or a work slowdown. And you want to tell us (without any supporting evidence at all) that this same judge is going to break new legal ground and rule against self-help after a contract abrogation?
Reality at 11, Captain. The IAM-M will shut 'er down, and ALPA rolling over won't prevent the shutdown....
Dea Certe
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A strike wouldn't be prudent at this time. It would seem our clueless and highly overpaid senior management isnt' going to pull this airline out of its nosedive.
I should think those who can will be leaving shortly for better prospects or retirement. Some will wait for Chapter 7, unemployment checks and possible job retraining through the government. If you're on strike, I don't believe those options are available.
I seriously doubt the traveling public gives a hoot if airline employees aren't earning a liviable wage. They will complain as service levels drop on every front but as long as they can get $200 RT fare coast to coast, they will buy tickets.
Once the safety level drops, God forbid, we might see some interest.
Dea
I should think those who can will be leaving shortly for better prospects or retirement. Some will wait for Chapter 7, unemployment checks and possible job retraining through the government. If you're on strike, I don't believe those options are available.
I seriously doubt the traveling public gives a hoot if airline employees aren't earning a liviable wage. They will complain as service levels drop on every front but as long as they can get $200 RT fare coast to coast, they will buy tickets.
Once the safety level drops, God forbid, we might see some interest.
Dea
Dog Wonder
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But, But Bu this judge will only rule in favor of the company. I I I can't understand it. I am always right, unless I'm not but I forget about that
USA320Pilot
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Clue:
Today the bankruptcy court demonstrated they can and will impose contract relief. If they did it once and changed the terms they certainly can do it again to save the business enterprise.
In his ruling Judge Mitchell referred to US Airways as a “Ticking Fiscal Time Bomb†that absent this imposed relief would likely result in a meltdown of the company.
Do you honestly believe Mitchell will not impose permanent relief via the S.1113© process and strike any self help provision?
If you do, I believe it would be better for you to change you User Name to "Clueless".
Separately, the AFA, IAM, and CWA labor leader actions provided their members with the largest pay cut in the history of the company. It appears their action was as good as the RC4’s by helping to provide the rank-and-file with deeper cuts (in this area) than were necessary.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
Today the bankruptcy court demonstrated they can and will impose contract relief. If they did it once and changed the terms they certainly can do it again to save the business enterprise.
In his ruling Judge Mitchell referred to US Airways as a “Ticking Fiscal Time Bomb†that absent this imposed relief would likely result in a meltdown of the company.
Do you honestly believe Mitchell will not impose permanent relief via the S.1113© process and strike any self help provision?
If you do, I believe it would be better for you to change you User Name to "Clueless".
Separately, the AFA, IAM, and CWA labor leader actions provided their members with the largest pay cut in the history of the company. It appears their action was as good as the RC4’s by helping to provide the rank-and-file with deeper cuts (in this area) than were necessary.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
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And so did your leaders with the 18.5% paycut, loss of your pension twice. So don't gloat, because pilots in glass cockpits should not throw stones.
And your information about the largest cuts is wrong. A mechanic who got knocked back down to utility in the 2002 restructing took a $21,000 a year paycut.
Keep trying!
And your information about the largest cuts is wrong. A mechanic who got knocked back down to utility in the 2002 restructing took a $21,000 a year paycut.
Keep trying!
Dog Wonder
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Clueless? I think that applies to some one else.
ClueByFour
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USA320Pilot said:
What is the one thing that the Judge did not give the company? That's right, the ability to outsource in the event of a work slowdown. So, the same guy is going to prevent a work stoppage after he allows contract imposition? And, to fix your spin on today's events--it was temporary relief that was not granted to the duration that the company originally asked for.
Do you honestly believe that a judge is going to abrogate a labor contract and then not permit a strike? Have you ignored the analysis docs that I've linked to in the past? Are you aware of the legislative history of S1113 and S1114 and why they exist?
Your job will go away if the majority of the IAM-M wants it to in the event of a 1113© abrogation, and no amount of hand-wringing here, on the ALPA boards, or to the local papers in PIT will stop it. Do I like it? Abosultely not, I'm just the messenger (and debunking the spin).
You will have to do better than "clueless." I know it's a bum rap when facts don't support your position, but that's pretty juvenille.
28yrsnojob
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its time for a wildcat ,starting right now dont wait for the company to get another one up on labor
PITbull
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Dea Certe said:
"Self-help" doesn't always mean a job action. It also means self help in picketing and leafletting. Company hates negative media exposure. That is pressure on managment.
WE don't even need a judge to engage in those types of of actions. We could leaflet tomorrow, if we were organized.
USA320,
Unlike ALPA MEC, we did much better with a judge for the next 4 months, then being stuck with major changes to our contract, giving up permanent wages, snap backs, sick, vacation, DH, premium pay, night pay, understaffing pay etc..nope.
We did much better with the judge.
