RIF Notices

[CactUSmx]

I thought the Title says RIF notices. Why are we talking Politics

 

[MCI transplant]

Lets not forget that Obama has had to deal with an obstructionist Congress which openly stated that their number One objective was , not to help fix this country , or decrease unemploymemnt, or stop the exportation og American Jobs, or get Osama Bin Laden, but to get Obama out of office!!!

I fault Obama as being too soft on his opponents who want to further wealth inequality and failing to use the media to take his message directly to the People like FDR and Ronald Reagan did.

As far as the RIF, it looks like at the end of the day the most that would see the street would be less than 230 people, not including those who could bump back into a prior classification.

Some will tout this as a success, say that the sacrifice we all made made the disruptions less severe, but the fact is that enough people felt this place wasnt worth staying is what lowered the number of RIFS, thats certainly nothing to boast about. AA is still only keep the amount of mechanics it needs to run their operations and that number would be the same whether we are making $33/hr with the worst contract in the industry or $40/hr with the same benfits and workrules we see across the industry. AA got everything they think they wanted thanks to people who pretend to be Union.

AA will get to continue to reduce headcount, some of that headcount reduction is due to the fact we get less vacation than anyone else, for every 50 guys on payroll with one less week vacation they get to dump one more worker and still get the same amount of hours of work. That currently gives AA the labor of 230 more mechanics without the 230 heads. The elimination of yet another week, as a large number of workers who remain aproach the years of service where they would get that week allows the company to reduce headcount that much more. Now we have workers that not only get half the sick time, one fifth the amount of equivelent HW hours but also get two weeks less vacation. Even at our reduced wage this represents a pay gap in addition to the lower wage of nearly $7500/year compared to their peers at UAL. When you add in the wage gap of $8300, without adding in any value for our inferior OT, FT and workrules we are already looking at a gap of $16,000/yr.In other words United gets the labor of 5263 mechanics for the same price that AA pays for 7070 mechanics, AA gets the labor of 1807 mechanics essentailly, for free. Thats the equivelent of 3,758,842 manhours of labor per year for free.
What management in the world wouldnt accept a deal that gives them nearly 4 million man hours for free?

Sorry Bob, I disagree! Obama and the Demo's had two years where they had total control of both houses, and the White House. But what was their number one priority? "Obama Care!" ------ You know, the bill that Wicked Witch of the West said :" you have to pass it to see what's in it!" As for your numbers for the RIF, I disagree again! I feel that the closing of MCIE, and the resulting lay offs, could arguably be factured in on the total RIFs the company has gained with this contract!!!

 

[AA89]

I'm not attempting to say one side or the other has it "correct" - quite the opposite. Both depend on the worker to fund their excesses.

As far as Obama being radical - a good friend of his is Bill Ayers, a university professor in Chicago. Only by the Ayers family's money is he not in prison today for his Weatherman bombing activities.

I got it Frank. I'm no fan of either side myself.As far as associates of Obama's, we always hear of Presidents ties to scumbags or some sort of underworld stuff. It happens with every administration. If you look at anyone and their past you can find what you are looking for if dirt is your goal and you twist what you find. That seems to be what politics has become . I myself have 3 friends in prison, 2 of which will never see freedom again. Does that make me an accessory to their crimes?

 

[MCI transplant]

I got it Frank. I'm no fan of either side myself.As far as associates of Obama's, we always hear of Presidents ties to scumbags or some sort of underworld stuff. It happens with every administration. If you look at anyone and their past you can find what you are looking for if dirt is your goal and you twist what you find. That seems to be what politics has become . I myself have 3 friends in prison, 2 of which will never see freedom again. Does that make me an accessory to their crimes?

No, it makes you a poor choose of who you call a friend!

 

[AA89]

I thought the Title says RIF notices. Why are we talking Politics

its that pot stirrer Eric's fault

 

[AA89]

No, it makes you a poor choose of who you call a friend!

says the guy that has no friends.........keep doing what you do best....whine about the closing of MCIE some more......

 

[blue collar]

Thats a good one.

So what was the first two years of his term when the Dems had both houses of Congress with super majorities and the Rep's could stop nothing?

No amount of spin can change the fact the real unemployment rate is 14.7%.
http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp


This is Obama's tarbaby and he is going to wear it on election day, as he should.

Maybe going by the right wing talking points Pres. Obama had 2 years of a 'supermajority'; however, in reality he had maybe 6 months. In that 6 months is when the ACA was passed, not to mention a couple of recesses. Do you believe everything you're told without looking into it? Let me guess, you voted yes too?

 

[iluvaa]

TAKE YOUR B.S. POLITICAL TALK TO THE WATER COOLER

 

[Bob Owens]

Redistribution of wealth is a subject Marx hit heavily - a more "to the point" incarnation of Johnson's so-called "Great Society".

What you want, Bob, reads more like Marx's Communist Manifesto - not interested.

Whether you want to see it or not there is a redistribution of wealth occuring, its going from working people like us to the rich. Marx wasnt wrong about everything and not everything Adam Smith said was right.

 

[eolesen]

its that pot stirrer Eric's fault

At least I didn't inject any of my opinions into it...

It's not that far fetched that AMR was bought off to avoid making layoff announcements until after the election, the way that some large defense contractors were bought off to ignore the WARN Act.

Would you vote for the TUL tax increase knowing layoffs were imminent?

 

[MCI transplant]

says the guy that has no friends.........keep doing what you do best....whine about the closing of MCIE some more......

I don't get any pleasure out of anyone loosing their jobs, but there's an old saying:" what goes arround, comes arround!" ----- Have a good day sir!

 

[AA89]

I dont either sir, but one insult deserves another in my world.

 

[AA89]

Maybe they're being paid off by the Obama campaign to hold off on RIF's until after the election?...

At least I didn't inject any of my opinions into it...

It's not that far fetched that AMR was bought off to avoid making layoff announcements until after the election, the way that some large defense contractors were bought off to ignore the WARN Act.

Would you vote for the TUL tax increase knowing layoffs were imminent?

Sounds like an opinion to me.
I don't live in Tulsa but no I would not.

 

[BigMac]

Take it for what its worth. Was told July of 97' is the date for AMTs @ TULE. All A/C Cleaners in 3/4 RIFd. 1st round RIF paperwork due out on the 29th.

 

[777 fixer]

At least I didn't inject any of my opinions into it...

It's not that far fetched that AMR was bought off to avoid making layoff announcements until after the election, the way that some large defense contractors were bought off to ignore the WARN Act.

As you are so fond of pointing out a company has to report any money that comes it's way. To do otherwise would be inviting trouble.