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[High Speed Steel]

You didn't address Hopefuls quote which was directed to the exorbitant wages of the international, so while you (we) have lost massive amounts of money and forfeted holidays the untouchables have not only seen exponential increases in pay but enjoyed a lavish lifestyle and time off at your (our) expense.

I think my post pretty much captured Hopefuls non-supportive attitude and impatience but if you want to narrow his argument there is a forum to be held no later than 4 years from the date of the last forum or known as the (TWU Convention) to address his issues...

 

[odie01]

I think my post pretty much captured Hopefuls non-supportive attitude and impatience but if you want to narrow his argument there is a forum to be held no later than 4 years from the date of the last forum or known as the (TWU Convention) to address his issues...

Hey Suckboy,
Can you explain the voting process used at the twu drunk-fest convention in Sin City for our president? Also, how can we the membership attend, and vote directly for the highest office in our union?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Most here crack me up with their lack of patience in the process. The committee's have only been re-engaged in talks since 12-14-2010 and most here are ready to blow up their skirts. I told you last year this would happen but most here authorized this process with their no vote, and don't blame me because this is your gig I voted Yes on the TA and haven't been complaining even though it has cost me over 8,000.00 in earnings and with the upcoming weekend this would've been the 4th holiday weekend for the year and we wouldn't have waited over 6 months for a holiday. Most here piss and moan about what has happened so far since 12-14-2010 and can't stay focused and supportive of those negotiating for them, lord help us if we ever end up on strike....

CLOWN !!! PATIENCE? This "process" started 11-07-2007. The twu idiots are a massive FAILURE!!!

 

[High Speed Steel]

CLOWN !!! PATIENCE? This "process" started 11-07-2007. The twu idiots are a massive FAILURE!!!

No argument here from me with your notice of the negotiations start date in Nov. 2007. But there was an opportunity to resolve the contract last year and your "No vote" authorized those negotiating for you to continue to negotiate but that "process" didn't happen until December 14, 2010. So here it has only been a few months and your failing your commitment to your negotiating committee....

 

[Frank Szabo]

Most here crack me up with their lack of patience in the process. The committee's have only been re-engaged in talks since 12-14-2010 and most here are ready to blow up their skirts. I told you last year this would happen but most here authorized this process with their no vote, and don't blame me because this is your gig I voted Yes on the TA and haven't been complaining even though it has cost me over 8,000.00 in earnings and with the upcoming weekend this would've been the 4th holiday weekend for the year and we wouldn't have waited over 6 months for a holiday. Most here piss and moan about what has happened so far since 12-14-2010 and can't stay focused and supportive of those negotiating for them, lord help us if we ever end up on strike....

Your hero, Dennis Burchette, made the comment some time ago (while president of 514, I believe) the company and union were in bed together. That being the case, how can a reasonable person expect any resolution in the present mess with the union we are paying dues to being a defacto extention of the company? How are you able to argue any point at all re: "negotiation progress"?

The negotiators are putting on quite the show but, as it's said, are doing no more than rearranging the Titanic's deck chairs.

You're welcome to hurl insults and throw a Donald Duck-type fit if you desire, but even those who have been staunchly pro-TWU are beginning to finally see how the union is being run - certainly not for the workers' benefit.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

No argument here from me with your notice of the negotiations start date in Nov. 2007. But there was an opportunity to resolve the contract last year and your "No vote" authorized those negotiating for you to continue to negotiate but that "process" didn't happen until December 14, 2010. So here it has only been a few months and your failing your commitment to your negotiating committee....

"Failing my commitment"? I have no such commitment to the negotiating commitee. It was POS insulting offer and we overwhelmingly said NO. My commitment lies with holding for the best possible contract. AA just shot themselves in the foot with the 15 BILLION potential aircraft order. All I have spoken with here at AFW are now even madder and more entrenched than ever before. HSS, you strike me as a spineless comapny union yes man.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Your hero, Dennis Burchette, made the comment some time ago (while president of 514, I believe) the company and union were in bed together. That being the case, how can a reasonable person expect any resolution in the present mess with the union we are paying dues to being a defacto extention of the company? How are you able to argue any point at all re: "negotiation progress"?

The negotiators are putting on quite the show but, as it's said, are doing no more than rearranging the Titanic's deck chairs.

You're welcome to hurl insults and throw a Donald Duck-type fit if you desire, but even those who have been staunchly pro-TWU are beginning to finally see how the union is being run - certainly not for the workers' benefit.

Yeah no kidding, and the captain of the Titanic is Jack from the NMB....Hasn't it been grand since the only contract offer we were able to consider was brought to us from mediation and now only getting worse? In all of your wisdom, please enlighten me on how to get everything you expect out of an agreement while the parties are locked into mediation....

 

[Buck]

You guys continue to complain about paying does and receiving nothing for it. There are solutions. Go on AGENCY FEE status or hand pay your dues. But as always be careful and understand exactly what you are doing.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Yeah no kidding, and the captain of the Titanic is Jack from the NMB....Hasn't it been grand since the only contract offer we were able to consider was brought to us from mediation and now only getting worse? In all of your wisdom, please enlighten me on how to get everything you expect out of an agreement while the parties are locked into mediation....

Locked in mediation - let's see now - when was that request for mediation made and by whom?

Mediation was entered into almost from the very beginning of negotiations at the request of - wait for it - LITTLE JIMMY. We are where we are today BY DESIGN of the TWU president, probably by instruction (and a check) from Centrepork.

As for what I expect from a contract - what is there to expect? Centrepork seems to be locked in an industry-wide "competition" to see which management team can give their workers the best "industry lagging" contract.

Honestly, I'm having a difficult time decidiing exactly who is the greatest enemy to the workers at American - the TWU (which we are paying for) or the company. It seems that they've been tag-teaming us since the 2003 give-backs. Why is this?

The only thing I can liken this to is the beginning Blazing Saddles where Sheriff Bart rides into town, begins to make a speech and the townsfolk pull guns on him, to which he responds by pulling his own gun ON HIMSELF with the line, "Hold it - one more move ...". The townsfolk believed the Sheriff was serious and let him disappear into a building. This is so close to what happened in 2003 that resulted in PERMANENT CONCESSIONS, words that had not been used in all dealings with the workers by either the company (understandably), or the TWU, the group we pay to (supposedly) tend to our best interests.

What do I expect? Nothing, as I'm paying dues to an organization that works for the company.

... and people like you are supporting the TWU.

 

[Birdman]

You guys continue to complain about paying does and receiving nothing for it. There are solutions. Go on AGENCY FEE status or hand pay your dues. But as always be careful and understand exactly what you are doing.

In January, since this is the only month one can go on agency fee, there will a major campaign to sign as many as possible. Hand pay, while an effective method of showing disapproval, is only for those responsible enough to pay on demand.

 

[Frank Szabo]

In January, since this is the only month one can go on agency fee, there will a major campaign to sign as many as possible. Hand pay, while an effective method of showing disapproval, is only for those responsible enough to pay on demand.

I'll be asking how to do the agency fee thing come January.

 

[Hackman]

Most here crack me up with their lack of patience in the process. The committee's have only been re-engaged in talks since 12-14-2010 and most here are ready to blow up their skirts. I told you last year this would happen but most here authorized this process with their no vote, and don't blame me because this is your gig I voted Yes on the TA and haven't been complaining even though it has cost me over 8,000.00 in earnings and with the upcoming weekend this would've been the 4th holiday weekend for the year and we wouldn't have waited over 6 months for a holiday. Most here piss and moan about what has happened so far since 12-14-2010 and can't stay focused and supportive of those negotiating for them, lord help us if we ever end up on strike....

What a twu tool. Patience my ass, we've been waiting 25+ YEARS for the twu to lead instead of grovel on their knees for more concessions!!! Guess we are asking too much from a Company Union like the twu. that's how it is when your in the cream gravy of the twu International for life, concessions are just for the members of the twu, not for the mighty appointed of the International elite. We'll get 'em next time.....promise.

"Don't blame me cuz I am just Jimmy Little and Phat Don twu follower, they dun told me to vote YES and wuz just a followin' whut I waz told." A true twu tool....I must say.

Why are you sniveling about the lack of twu holidays and the $8000 earnings you lost, you voted YES again in 2003 like your were told to by the twu right??? Oh, I almost forgot, the twu Company union mAAn Jimmy Little came back with a "without further ratification" after the company got caught lying, I guess Jim was just looking out for us.

Lord help us if we ever strike is RIGHT!!!! With the twu leading the charge it will be over before it starts!!!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Locked in mediation - let's see now - when was that request for mediation made and by whom?

Mediation was entered into almost from the very beginning of negotiations at the request of - wait for it - LITTLE JIMMY. We are where we are today BY DESIGN of the TWU president, probably by instruction (and a check) from Centrepork.

As for what I expect from a contract - what is there to expect? Centrepork seems to be locked in an industry-wide "competition" to see which management team can give their workers the best "industry lagging" contract.

Honestly, I'm having a difficult time decidiing exactly who is the greatest enemy to the workers at American - the TWU (which we are paying for) or the company. It seems that they've been tag-teaming us since the 2003 give-backs. Why is this?

The only thing I can liken this to is the beginning Blazing Saddles where Sheriff Bart rides into town, begins to make a speech and the townsfolk pull guns on him, to which he responds by pulling his own gun ON HIMSELF with the line, "Hold it - one more move ...". The townsfolk believed the Sheriff was serious and let him disappear into a building. This is so close to what happened in 2003 that resulted in PERMANENT CONCESSIONS, words that had not been used in all dealings with the workers by either the company (understandably), or the TWU, the group we pay to (supposedly) tend to our best interests.

What do I expect? Nothing, as I'm paying dues to an organization that works for the company.

... and people like you are supporting the TWU.

I always knew we had something in common Frank, because I always thought it was a mistake to enter Mediation without first allowing the membership to vote on something. I think this hurt us really bad and the sooner we can find a way out of mediation the better, this was a primary reason I chose to vote Yes on the TA last year because the way I seen it, our goose was cooked.....

 

[Hopeful]

I always knew we had something in common Frank, because I always thought it was a mistake to enter Mediation without first allowing the membership to vote on something. I think this hurt us really bad and the sooner we can find a way out of mediation the better, this was a primary reason I chose to vote Yes on the TA last year because the way I seen it, our goose was cooked.....

HSS, I've been patient for a long long time.....But i'd say my patience started with the 1983 "GIVE THE COMPANY ANYTHING THEY WANT" mother of all concessionary contracts.

Now, tell me again how I get invited to the convention to put an end to the exorbant salaries of Little, Gless & Little's secretary & Co?

 

[Frank Szabo]

I always knew we had something in common Frank, because I always thought it was a mistake to enter Mediation without first allowing the membership to vote on something. I think this hurt us really bad and the sooner we can find a way out of mediation the better, this was a primary reason I chose to vote Yes on the TA last year because the way I seen it, our goose was cooked.....

I voted "NO" and am proud to say so - the reason being, the TWU/AMR penchant for creating a lower caste (haves and have nots, re: pre-65 health insurance, THIS time). Creation of a lower class of citizen, as done in years past to buy votes from the older crowd, stops with me and hopefully, many others.

Mediation was entered into in hopes of scaring the membership and it didn't work very well. Little initially, as I recall, requested release before the "big vote" and when the cram-down (TA) went down in flames, it was very quietly withdrawn. The committee can request release as a show all they wish but until Little Jimmy buys off on said request for release, it means absolutely nothing - you know that - the International owns the contract, not those negotiating.

I've lost interest in the process, knowing full well how it's being run at level above the Local with carefully managed news feeds from both the company and union.

I would like to see a decent contract presented to the company (restoration of holidays, the week of earned vacation TAKEN, good wages) and hear what manner of work rule modifications the company would have to have to agree to such - they are a business and, therefore, have their price - show some 'nads and ask what that price might be and present the answer to the membership - nobody has to say yes. That's not to imply, however, the company would have the slightest clue as to how to respond to such a question.

Until the negotiating committee, supposedly working for the membership, is willing to do that, screw them all and their boss with rusty hand tools.

Until this wonderous committee shows they are actually doing something for the membership, I'll continue to view all TWU "actions" as nothing more than a vaudeville sideshow, engineered to make the membership believe they are getting something for the dues they pay.