Raises for CONgress

[700UW]

Analogies are not based in fact, they are based on perceptions of similarities.


Don't lecture me about bipartisan. The UNION made this a political issue when they started funding liberal terrorist with dues money out of my check.


If you thought the analogy was about pay raises you missed the point entirely.

It is against the law for union dues to be given to a party or a candidate, read the LMRDA.

 

[Ms Tree]

President Obama has ordered raises for Congress.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2377714.html
http://www.newsmax.c...12/28/id/469363
http://nation.foxnew...l-workers-raise
http://www.breitbart...-Getting-Raises
http://spotlightonco...al-cliff-looms/

Right now President Obama wants:
Control of the debt ceiling
To spend more
To raise taxes
Gun control

And has:
Forced unconstitutional health care
Ignored felony immigration
Ignored federal drug laws

Regardless of how you feel about some of these controversial issues our President has refused to uphold the law of the land. The very law he swore to uphold when he took office.

SOCIALISM AT WORK.
We pay Taxes (dues) to a Government (UNION) that refuses to uphold the Constitution (contract). Where oh where have I seen this before?

- President does not control raises for Congress. If you bother to read about how Congress works you will discover that the pay raises are automatic and that Congress must decline the raise in order for it not to take place. Congress passed an amendment granting automatic raises into place in 1989. The amendment required that Congress vote to deny the raise which they did till 2000. They have not declined a raise since as far as I am aware.   Th freeze affects all federal employees not just Congress. Congress has the ability to refuse the raise.  
- SCOTUS has not ruled the ACA unconstitutional.
- Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than Bush did.
- If you are talking about marijuana I agree. He has told the DOJ to not actively pursue marijuana users/producers. I thought republicans were in favor of states rights. Why is it not OK in this instance for states to say it is OK to use marijuana?

So out of 4 issues you got 1 right but that seems to go against what republicans believe. Good job.

 

[SparrowHawk]

As long as we have the current two wings on the same bird of prey one party system and Politburo the average American will be the F*ckee and Government will be the F*ckor.

 

[777 fixer]

Negative two in rep. Care to comment on what you found so disagreeable about my statements? Are you saying you think the President should not uphold federal law?

Why are you suprised? All you did was repeat something you probably heard on talk radio without any basic fact checking.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

- President does not control raises for Congress. If you bother to read about how Congress works you will discover that the pay raises are automatic and that Congress must decline the raise in order for it not to take place. Congress passed an amendment granting automatic raises into place in 1989. The amendment required that Congress vote to deny the raise which they did till 2000. They have not declined a raise since as far as I am aware. Th freeze affects all federal employees not just Congress. Congress has the ability to refuse the raise.
- SCOTUS has not ruled the ACA unconstitutional.
- Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than Bush did.
- If you are talking about marijuana I agree. He has told the DOJ to not actively pursue marijuana users/producers. I thought republicans were in favor of states rights. Why is it not OK in this instance for states to say it is OK to use marijuana?

So out of 4 issues you got 1 right but that seems to go against what republicans believe. Good job.

I know how Congress works. Do you know how an executive order works?

I know of the case National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. I also know that in 2010 the majority of states filed litigation against the individual mandate claiming it was unconstitutional. In this case Congress failed yet again to follow the will of the people. SCOTUS has become a snakes den of "debt and favors".

Deportation? Try DREAM ACT. Why worry about a few thousand deportations when the President pardons millions of illegal immigrants every day? I seem to remember something about the federal government blocking deportations from Arizona as well.

It is not OK because Federal Law trumps state law. States are free to make their own laws as long as they do not conflict with federal laws.

These are not Republican / Democrat issues. This is an issue of the federal government refusal to enforce its own laws. The Democratic party was a fine party until liberalism took root. Unfortunately the two are so hand in hand now to claim one is to claim the other.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I know how Congress works. Do you know how an executive order works?

I know of the case National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. I also know that in 2010 the majority of states filed litigation against the individual mandate claiming it was unconstitutional. In this case Congress failed yet again to follow the will of the people. SCOTUS has become a snakes den of "debt and favors".

Deportation? Try DREAM ACT. Why worry about a few thousand deportations when the President pardons millions of illegal immigrants every day? I seem to remember something about the federal government blocking deportations from Arizona as well.

It is not OK because Federal Law trumps state law. States are free to make their own laws as long as they do not conflict with federal laws.

These are not Republican / Democrat issues. This is an issue of the federal government refusal to enforce its own laws. The Democratic party was a fine party until liberalism took root. Unfortunately the two are so hand in hand now to claim one is to claim the other.

OMG, it is true. Southwind has found a playmate.

I see you dropped three of the four points you threw out since they didn't stick.

Now the SCOTUS is a "snakes den of debt and favors" ?

You do know that the SCOTUS is beholden to no one thing or person other than their (and their staff's) interpretation of the Constitution and case law based on it. They are lifetime appointees confirmed by the Congress.

Go back and get a few more talking points from Rushbo and come back and try again.

 

[WNMECH]

The thread is raises for congress.
They were done by executive order from BHO.

Now, some in congress are drafting legislation to block these raises.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

The thread is raises for congress.
They were done by executive order from BHO.

Now, some in congress are drafting legislation to block these raises.

The President did not order raises. He issued an EO reversing the pay freeze that took effect back in January 2011 for all federal civilian employees. The .5 percent raise would be less than the normal automatic raises that are based on cost-of-living, among other factors as determined by each Agency. The Executive Office releases pay information for the federal civilian workforce every year.

Ms. Tree described the process for congressional pay in a previous post very well.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/12/30/obama-biden-congress-pay-freeze/1799011/

"President Obama and Congress agreed in the fall to maintain the freeze that began in January 2011 through the end of the current continuing resolution. Obama recommended a 0.5 percent pay increase next year for feds when Congress passes a budget. It remains unclear when or if that will happen.

"Lawmakers passed the $1.047 trillion continuing resolution in September. It funds the government through March 27. The stopgap spending measure ensured feds would not see a salary bump until April at the earliest."

 

[SparrowHawk]

The President did not order raises. He issued an EO reversing the pay freeze that took effect back in January 2011 for all federal civilian employees. The .5 percent raise would be less than the normal automatic raises that are based on cost-of-living, among other factors as determined by each Agency.

Ms. Tree described the process for congressional pay in a previous post very well.

http://www.usatoday....freeze/1799011/

"President Obama and Congress agreed in the fall to maintain the freeze that began in January 2011 through the end of the current continuing resolution. Obama recommended a 0.5 percent pay increase next year for feds when Congress passes a budget. It remains unclear when or if that will happen.

"Lawmakers passed the $1.047 trillion continuing resolution in September. It funds the government through March 27. The stopgap spending measure ensured feds would not see a salary bump until April at the earliest."

You are technically correct.

The bottom line however is this. The average worker suffers due to the policies of Barack Obama, The Fed and all of the POTUS's post 1913 and the net effect is the Political Parasite class gets a raise.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Most "average workers" from outside the USA would gladly trade places with any "average worker" inside the USA.

 

[delldude]

The bottom line however is this. The average worker suffers due to the policies of Barack Obama, The Fed and all of the POTUS's post 1913 and the net effect is the Political Parasite class gets a raise.

Political Parasite
That's a good euphemism for federal workers.....LOL
That's a good one.

Most of the one's called non essential like when they have a government shutdown...LOL

 

[delldude]

Please feel free to tell me and the moderators what this has to do with American Airlines. Take a trip over to the water cooler and see if you can debate this there.

Still crying to the mod's, 'eh?

 

[Dog Wonder]

He was just offering La-Ti-Dah a chance to broaden the scope of his emptiness.

 

[delldude]

He was just offering La-Ti-Dah a chance to broaden the scope of his emptiness.

Emptiness is a volumetric issue.

 

[yoyodyne]

Emptiness is a volumetric issue.

Perhaps, but dog was probably referring to synaptic emptiness, and illness mostly contracted while listening to talk radio, or faux news

Now if there is an echo between the ears, then it is a volumetric issue..