raises comin sept 14

[700UW]

They didn't even meet back then.

 

[700UW]

Didnt hear you complain when you got a 9.53% raise DOS on the CBA that was negotiated last year.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

So ASS represented employees only get industry average in september while the company is posting its highest profits in airline history?! Hardly even a raise considering the cost of everything has gone up across the nation. Thanks Ass leadership..you sure drive a hard negotiation at the table. Oh and do tell your great plan on why the company will give an "industry leading" jcba when they have theses cheap ass contracts locked in for years?!! Haha gee, maybe they will do it just to be nice. I'm speechless..all I can say is our union leadership are company pets or absolute morons!!:

I agree BM.  I'll believe it when I see it.  If they were such nice guys they would not have included US Air in our average and AA in theirs.  I'll believe the huge raise in the jcba when I see it.  Wouldn't be the first time we didn't get what was promised.

 

[Buck]

Who decided that the Association was going to be allowed to be formed in the first place? 
 
Everyone seems to be focusing on the two members of the Association, when perhaps it is the AFL-CIO that wanted to keep the infighting to a minimum.
 
The simple solution would have been to allow the TWU, the larger of the two Association members to be the Union. This is historically the method, why was it changed?

 

[1AA]

The iam pension fund needs revenue to survive. If the traditional method was used in deciding union representation the contributions would have stopped at some point to the iam pension fund. It's all about money. The unknown will be if we as TWU members will be forced into the loser fund and lose our company match. We reapeadly are lied too and mislead by the twu. So if they say we will have a choice to participate you must wonder if another lie is in place or they will twist things and tell us you voted for it.

 

[1AA]

Thanks

 

[scorpion 2]

The IAM negotiated in their last section 6 Negotiations, its in the CBAs.

What moron would have the wage adjustment calculated on the same day as us? Did the company write the language so the new rate for the AA mechs wouldn't have bumped up our brothers at USair? I guess leap frogging over us is against the commie union mantra. Just curious, how many mechs are drawing a check from our comparator airline USair these days? Is the powerful ASS leaders getting side deals to not defend us against this corporate bully tactic?

 

[Tim Nelson]

From this quote it sounds like the Association has been in the shadows all through the Merger and the IAM section 6 negotiations!!


"In yet another example of the TWU-IAM Association’s combined power and strategically negotiated pre-merger, stand-alone contracts"

 
I know there seems to be some who don't like the idea of the Association, but given the context of things, I think it was a brilliant idea from a US AIRWAYS perspective. Instead of two unions fighting, Sito Pantoja persuaded the TWU to join in an Association, support stand alone IAM talks, and in return, boost the wages in the LAA contract by virtue of bossting LUS pre JCBA wages.  Seems to me that it was a win win, except for the company. I'm sure the company would have much rathered plan B, i.e., screw the IAM stand alone talks, have two unions fighting eachother for 18 months, and keep LAA wages restricted to 2.1% raise. 
 
Say what you want about the Association, but I can't see any valid argument that says it wasn't a brilliant idea by the TWU and the IAM.   And God knows I call it as I see it and haven't always agreed with IAM leadership.  Along the way, we secured scope for every single station, which also helps everyone in contract talks as a strong leveraged baseline.  Without the Associaiton, we would be waiting on a seniority arbitration and LUS would still be at $20 buck an hour.
 
regards,
 

 

[1AA]

I agree it's a win/win for the TWU and IAM. Not sure how it played out for the IAM members but so far the TWU side is wondering what next? The big winner financially is the IAMPF for now.

 

[Buck]

I would not mind the IAMPF as long as they do not touch my Frozen Pension at AA. If they want to give me 30 years of credited service in their pension I might consider it. 

 

[scorpion 2]

I would not mind the IAMPF as long as they do not touch my Frozen Pension at AA. If they want to give me 30 years of credited service in their pension I might consider it.

Where would the money come from? If the market keeps falling that plan will also!

 

[1AA]

I would not mind the IAMPF as long as they do not touch my Frozen Pension at AA. If they want to give me 30 years of credited service in their pension I might consider it.

You should read the details about the IAMPF before making a decision. They can give you 100 years of credited service. If it gets handed over to the pbgc they pay out actual time in it. If they get low on funds they will just make an adjustment to your promised payout. You have more control and more money can be invested in your 401K. The IAMPF is desperate to get our money before they go belly up or just make smaller payouts.

 

[scorpion 2]

I know there seems to be some who don't like the idea of the Association, but given the context of things, I think it was a brilliant idea from a US AIRWAYS perspective. Instead of two unions fighting, Sito Pantoja persuaded the TWU to join in an Association, support stand alone IAM talks, and in return, boost the wages in the LAA contract by virtue of bossting LUS pre JCBA wages.  Seems to me that it was a win win, except for the company. I'm sure the company would have much rathered plan B, i.e., screw the IAM stand alone talks, have two unions fighting eachother for 18 months, and keep LAA wages restricted to 2.1% raise. 
 
Say what you want about the Association, but I can't see any valid argument that says it wasn't a brilliant idea by the TWU and the IAM.   And God knows I call it as I see it and haven't always agreed with IAM leadership.  Along the way, we secured scope for every single station, which also helps everyone in contract talks as a strong leveraged baseline.  Without the Associaiton, we would be waiting on a seniority arbitration and LUS would still be at $20 buck an hour.
 
regards,

There was nothing to force the company to settle with the iam but what corporation wouldn't want to have the 2 lowest paid groups in the industry and locked into shyty deals. Nice neat little package with no forced section 6 openers for a long time to come.. A little higher wage adjustment that still keeps us at the bottom is a very very small price to pay. If the 2 union bosses play ball with the corporation and let the obsolete USair remain in the average without a presidential grievance it will be obvious where the ASS's real loyalty lies.

 

[Buck]

You should read the details about the IAMPF before making a decision. They can give you 100 years of credited service. If it gets handed over to the pbgc they pay out actual time in it. If they get low on funds they will just make an adjustment to your promised payout. You have more control and more money can be invested in your 401K. The IAMPF is desperate to get our money before they go belly up or just make smaller payouts.

 
 
 
 
 
how can they just hand over my frozen pension?

 

[1AA]

how can they just hand over my frozen pension?

I was referring to the IAMPF if we enroll in it versus the 401K match. As far as our frozen defined pension plan goes? That scares me to death knowing the IAMPF sees nothing but $$$$$$$ signs.