QC off the b checks

[AMFAinMIAMI]

We have been told that they would schedule a trip to LAX if say an engine change was scheduled for the 777.

texasreb
 
WHO Told you? Since "we have been told is your statement"
 
Why would aa fly a 777 to LAX for an engine change when the engine shop is there in texas? They don't have that many 777 in/out of LAX. The cost of shipping equipment, the engine, the flight of the aircraft, just would not be a good business decision?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

We do not have the manpower at DWH for B checks and all of the drop ins. DFW gets 30 mechanics a shift for b checks, we get 4 or 5.

Texasreb
 
4 or 5 guys to accomplish a "B" check now you're stretching it abit don't you think?
 
If one city/station/Hgr has 25-30 guys to accomplish a check any other will get the same. Doing left over cards to finish the check maybe. But having 4-5 guys assigned to accomplish a complete "B" check NOT True. Just calculate the man hours for the check. The aircraft would be in the Hanger for a week or more.
 
O/S is a spin master and is only here to promote the TWU's bs.
 
Read through out this forum on any thread.

 

[Overspeed]

We have been told that they would schedule a trip to LAX if say an engine change was scheduled for the 777.

 
I doubt it. We field tripped in to LAX to do an engine change on 777 before. They don't do it that often and like I said, look at the sched they have no 777 overnight.

 

[Overspeed]

Texasreb
 
4 or 5 guys to accomplish a "B" check now you're stretching it abit don't you think?
 
If one city/station/Hgr has 25-30 guys to accomplish a check any other will get the same. Doing left over cards to finish the check maybe. But having 4-5 guys assigned to accomplish a complete "B" check NOT True. Just calculate the man hours for the check. The aircraft would be in the Hanger for a week or more.
 
O/S is a spin master and is only here to promote the TWU's bs.
 
Read through out this forum on any thread.

 
This time you are not knowledgeable of the situation. DWH is doing the BC spread out over several days with smaller crews. DFW does a two shifts for BC and in an overnight normally. Sometimes we do the MAARS which is 24 hours.
 
Ask the DFW 737 and 757 BC crews if they believe JFK and SFO stole their work. Durst yanked those checks and sent them to stations that were losing their BCs due to routing. SFO lost the 767 overnight and the A300 was getting parked. Durst knew they would be worried about layoffs so when DFW tanked their BCs SFO and JFK got them not because of routing but because management had other locations that would love the work. MIA is no exception. We have heard that MIA wants as many BCs as they can get. Your VP has not been quiet about it either. Ask him yourself if MIA would take the 777 if DFW management doesn't want it?
 
Wake up, management at AA knows the union at each station is out for themselves and not the union membership as a whole.

 

[Rogallo]

 
This time you are not knowledgeable of the situation. DWH is doing the BC spread out over several days with smaller crews. DFW does a two shifts for BC and in an overnight normally. Sometimes we do the MAARS which is 24 hours.
 
Ask the DFW 737 and 757 BC crews if they believe JFK and SFO stole their work. Durst yanked those checks and sent them to stations that were losing their BCs due to routing. SFO lost the 767 overnight and the A300 was getting parked. Durst knew they would be worried about layoffs so when DFW tanked their BCs SFO and JFK got them not because of routing but because management had other locations that would love the work. MIA is no exception. We have heard that MIA wants as many BCs as they can get. Your VP has not been quiet about it either. Ask him yourself if MIA would take the 777 if DFW management doesn't want it?
 
Wake up, management at AA knows the union at each station is out for themselves and not the union membership as a whole.

Who's we?

 

[Overspeed]

Who's we?

 
"We" being the AMTs at DFW

 

[Chuck Schalk]

 
 
Wake up, management at AA knows the union at each station is out for themselves and not the union membership as a whole.

I agree with Overspun on this one.  I have seen it happen,  unless we act as one and not undermine other stations we will never have any power of a single voice.  

 

[dfw gen]

"We" being the AMTs at DFW

first i heard of it.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
This time you are not knowledgeable of the situation. DWH is doing the BC spread out over several days with smaller crews. DFW does a two shifts for BC and in an overnight normally. Sometimes we do the MAARS which is 24 hours.
 
Ask the DFW 737 and 757 BC crews if they believe JFK and SFO stole their work. Durst yanked those checks and sent them to stations that were losing their BCs due to routing. SFO lost the 767 overnight and the A300 was getting parked. Durst knew they would be worried about layoffs so when DFW tanked their BCs SFO and JFK got them not because of routing but because management had other locations that would love the work. MIA is no exception. We have heard that MIA wants as many BCs as they can get. Your VP has not been quiet about it either. Ask him yourself if MIA would take the 777 if DFW management doesn't want it?
 
Wake up, management at AA knows the union at each station is out for themselves and not the union membership as a whole.

 
 
Stealing of work would take the influence of the A&P's from the TWU asking management to give us work from another station. You actually think that if we approach aa and say we want any "B" check no matter where it is aa is going to just move it? "Come on man" Get real..
 
You were correct saying that Durst moved work due to routing to avoid layoffs.
 
MIA got SFO "B" check due to the routing of 767 for a Rio flight. 
 
As I said earlier every station wants work it causes head count to rise that give each A&P more options and better days off. It wasn't the VP it was the SE Regional Dir who said MIA would take the 777 "B" check if DFW did not want it.
 
But from what we hear we are getting a 757 "B" check in AUG. that came from the SE region TWU reps. 25-30 heads from transfer list.
 
You are correct again with the facts that I would not know that aa is working "B" checks with smaller crews but the norm is what I stated. 30 man crews. WE are also getting a Maars check here in Mia.
 
They are talking about giving our work on the Interior checks to South America and also our cabin appearance crew is going south as well. Thanks TWU.
 
Management knows we are out for ourselves, NOW I wonder why that is?
 
Couldn't be that the TWU supports the I GOT MINE ATTITUDE, that is why Tulsa got whatever it wanted so the voting power was there, throughout the yrs.
Now that its more or less even, (manpower), the TWU has lost its grip on the A&P's of AA. That is also why guy's like you want to continue to fester a rift between the line and O/H. When we all need to be as one group. Line/OH/USAirway's mechanics.
 
This bs you preach is why you don't want AMFA here, then we will have a say, something you don't want because if you did you would support what the membership wants.
 
What is that you may ask?   A VOTE.. people have signed AMFA cards for yrs and last yr signed IBT cards as well that speaks volumes doesn't it.
 
Support bringing a vote and show us that its the membership your thinking of and NOT your selfish ways. 
 
Any Union person would support what so many want. Unless it is going to effect him in some adverse way. If that is the case we should tell you to take a hike since your out for YOU and not thinking of the group as a whole.
 
AMFA at the NEW AA 2014

 

[MetalMover]

 
They are talking about giving our work on the Interior checks to South America and also our cabin appearance crew is going south as well. Thanks TWU.
 

The contract allows for this. I'm surprised any interior checks are still being done stateside.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

The contract allows for this. I'm surprised any interior checks are still being done stateside.

 
THE TWU pushed their members to vote for a management contract

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

The contract allows for this. I'm surprised any interior checks are still being done stateside.

Metal Mover
 
Your Point is what?
 
The TWU contracts of the last 20+ yrs have allowed so much of what the unions fought for yrs to acquire to go away. Does that mean it's acceptable?
 
That work is someones job/shift/daysoff, maybe when its your position you'll have a different thought process.
 
We as a union voted it in I understand that, but since most voted on it without even looking at it we got what most TWU supporters say "we got what we deserved".
It was the best we could get at the time.
 
How much are you and the others you work with willing to accept from the TWU negotiators? How many more chances are you and the guys you work with going to give the TWU before we remove the TWU?
 
These questions are not just for you but every mechanic at aa.

 

[Overspeed]

 
 
Stealing of work would take the influence of the A&P's from the TWU asking management to give us work from another station. You actually think that if we approach aa and say we want any "B" check no matter where it is aa is going to just move it? "Come on man" Get real..
 
You were correct saying that Durst moved work due to routing to avoid layoffs.
 
MIA got SFO "B" check due to the routing of 767 for a Rio flight. 
 
As I said earlier every station wants work it causes head count to rise that give each A&P more options and better days off. It wasn't the VP it was the SE Regional Dir who said MIA would take the 777 "B" check if DFW did not want it.
 
But from what we hear we are getting a 757 "B" check in AUG. that came from the SE region TWU reps. 25-30 heads from transfer list.
 
You are correct again with the facts that I would not know that aa is working "B" checks with smaller crews but the norm is what I stated. 30 man crews. WE are also getting a Maars check here in Mia.
 
They are talking about giving our work on the Interior checks to South America and also our cabin appearance crew is going south as well. Thanks TWU.
 
Management knows we are out for ourselves, NOW I wonder why that is?
 
Couldn't be that the TWU supports the I GOT MINE ATTITUDE, that is why Tulsa got whatever it wanted so the voting power was there, throughout the yrs.
Now that its more or less even, (manpower), the TWU has lost its grip on the A&P's of AA. That is also why guy's like you want to continue to fester a rift between the line and O/H. When we all need to be as one group. Line/OH/USAirway's mechanics.
 
This bs you preach is why you don't want AMFA here, then we will have a say, something you don't want because if you did you would support what the membership wants.
 
What is that you may ask?   A VOTE.. people have signed AMFA cards for yrs and last yr signed IBT cards as well that speaks volumes doesn't it.
 
Support bringing a vote and show us that its the membership your thinking of and NOT your selfish ways. 
 
Any Union person would support what so many want. Unless it is going to effect him in some adverse way. If that is the case we should tell you to take a hike since your out for YOU and not thinking of the group as a whole.
 
AMFA at the NEW AA 2014

 
Your MIA officers have been saying they want the 777 BC for sometime.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
Your MIA officers have been saying they want the 777 BC for sometime.

 
O/S
 
Tell us all what your stations officers are saying?
 
As I said every station wants work, since it drives heads which bottom line gets everyone better shifts and days off, but the company decides not the boots on the floor.
 
So your Point is what?

 

[MetalMover]

Metal Mover
 
Your Point is what?
 
The TWU contracts of the last 20+ yrs have allowed so much of what the unions fought for yrs to acquire to go away. Does that mean it's acceptable?
 
That work is someones job/shift/daysoff, maybe when its your position you'll have a different thought process.
 
We as a union voted it in I understand that, but since most voted on it without even looking at it we got what most TWU supporters say "we got what we deserved".
It was the best we could get at the time.
 
How much are you and the others you work with willing to accept from the TWU negotiators? How many more chances are you and the guys you work with going to give the TWU before we remove the TWU?
 
These questions are not just for you but every mechanic at aa.

My point is that the contract clearly allows for the outsourcing of the CFP work. I was simply stating why I thought the company hasn't taken advantage of this like they have with other contractual items.
Please don't try to put words in my mouth or thoughts in my mind as I do not wish to see ANY work WHATSOEVER outsourced.
I am only pointing out what the contract allows. 
If we as union members demand the company adhere to the contract, then we can expect that they too will adhere to the contract.
 
And once again I will reiterate that the TWU must go.