Profit Sharing.

[mweiss]

OK, diogenes, I get what you're saying. And I agree with you, for the most part. There are clearly some areas where we should reconsider the restrictions on some practices, such as information that is protected in the US. These, incidentally, are the sorts of things that WTO is supposed to solve.

Ultimately, those issues become distractions from the most important fact: even if they had all of the same protections in India that we have here, we'd still end up with much work being exported.

 

[diogenes]

Let me distract you a bit more.

Due to NAFTA, we have Mexican fruit and vegtables available in the US. I'm sure you're aware of the cases of e. coli in schools that were traced back to said fruit and veggies.

Up until then, I was unaware of e. coli being transmitted via plant life in modern times. Generally, e.coli is transmitted via feces. In the case of hamburger, when the slaughtered animal's digestive tract is ruptured and spread throughout the carcass.

Turns out, our trading partners were irrigating the garden with sewage.

That's bad enough. Then, our friends complained US health standards constituted a restraint of trade under NAFTA.

They've made the same claim about US requirements for dolphin-safe tuna.

How much sovereignty do we sacrifice for corporate interests?

 

[daybeforecommuter]

Unbelievable. The rhetoric is nothing short of embarassing. The reality is here, and sad as it is, is this company is on the verge of perishing. Do you really care. Yeah, I kind of do. But I am not willing to work here for what has been rumoured. I have been hanging on because, in all seriousness, I thought that something good might happen. The only thing good will be the possible survival of this company for the good of who? Consumers? Shareholders? Pilots? All of our salaries are replaceable. We may have to buckle down. We may have to do things we never thought we would have to do. But we all can do it. Do not give in to this. You will have no self respect later in life. Lets all move on. I will vote no if he asks for 25 cents let alone 25 percent. Be willing (because all of us are able) to expand your reach. I have to go study for a Chem exam. Up. Up. Up and Away from this madness.

 

[ktflyhome]

daybefore: I am with you totally on this. I know in good conscience that I will vote No also. Will it save my job. Most likely not. But if I vote yes will it save my job? No. So I know that I am Not going to vote yes to vote myself out of a job. Period. I know that voting Yes or No is not going to save my job....Period. It is a mute point. Davey would rather I quit in MOHO :angry:

 

[wench]

EG,
you really *BELIEVE****the savior of the nation will CREATE 10 MILLION jobs?

Sounds like a ****cough, cough, puke, puke, Kerryite***supporter...

Or could you be mgmt?????

HMMMM???

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Back to the original discussion. Dave & Dave will NEVER agree to any sort of meaningful profit sharing. They are attempting to ram a windfall for themselves down the throats of the UAIR employees. You can bet that they don't want to give any of it away. I wouldn't be surprised to see something offered in the form of a meager cut of the profits for the employees, but nothing that accounts for much or even comes close to compensating for the other things they are asking for. They've had 2 years to get this thing going, and now that it appears that the industry MAY be on the brink of recovery they are panicking that they haven't gotten enough from labor. Let's face it. There's only ONE thing that will keep UAIR in business, and that is an improved US economy, which in itself will cure a lot of the airline industry's ills.

 

[mweiss]

Back to the original discussion. Dave & Dave will NEVER agree to any sort of meaningful profit sharing. They are attempting to ram a windfall for themselves down the throats of the UAIR employees.

There won't be any profit to share. Don't you get it? It's even debatable that you could call what's coming a windfall.

There's only ONE thing that will keep UAIR in business, and that is an improved US economy, which in itself will cure a lot of the airline industry's ills.

Cure? Hardly. It'll just hide it until the next recession. This industry cannot continue to have this insane structure.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Prior to 9/11 there was beginning to be a decline in business travel. 9/11 caused leasure travellers to stop flying as well. That is what pushed the industry into the state it's currently in. The slow economy has made this situation last much longer than anticipated. No doubt about it. The structure of the legacy airlines has got to change to compete with the likes of SW & JB. The basics of running a business have all but been abandoned by UAIR in it's restructuring. Things like marketing and customer service have been downsized to nonexistence (marketing HAS NEVER existed at UAIR, at least not in the last 20 years). The ONLY thing that will keep many airlines in buiness, including UAIR is if MORE folks start flying, and this will only occur with an improved economy.