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Plenty of work for new Tulsa Hangar
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I love the comment:
" "It gives us two bays for widebodies that we would not otherwise be able to do in Tulsa"
Funny, you've got TWO BAYS AT MCI YOU DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR. WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THE (text excised) TO TELL US YOU PLAN ON CLOSING MCI.......
The writing's been on the wall, it's just that no one has the backbone to admit it. Glad I have plans already.
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No doubt AA will close MCI and rumor has it possibly AFW Hangars also.
The fleet size will soon be to the same level it was in 1984 and Tulsa was the only overhaul base then. Tulsa plus Delta Hangar at DFW should be able to handle the fleet.
Look for AA to offer a retirement incentive soon, for a contract with unlimited outsourcing, 7 day coverage across the Tulsa base, and a new hire package that will lower cost with hiring.
The fleet size will soon be to the same level it was in 1984 and Tulsa was the only overhaul base then. Tulsa plus Delta Hangar at DFW should be able to handle the fleet.
Look for AA to offer a retirement incentive soon, for a contract with unlimited outsourcing, 7 day coverage across the Tulsa base, and a new hire package that will lower cost with hiring.
I don't see AA doing outsourcing when we have so much capacity in-house. Management resisted that bandwagon when everyone else ditched American workers to save money, and I think it is starting to bite the other carriers in the ass.
Hard to believe AFW would shut, although MCI I can believe. We are just a smaller airline now. Instead of one big carrier going away, we've all shed enough to equal one big one. Had to happen either way, growth was too expansive during the boom.
Hard to believe AFW would shut, although MCI I can believe. We are just a smaller airline now. Instead of one big carrier going away, we've all shed enough to equal one big one. Had to happen either way, growth was too expansive during the boom.
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AA is outsourcing work now. Dont be fooled into belief otherwise, And there arel things that AA still doesnt do well in house.
Don't misunderstand the "unlimited outsource" as an everything goes statement. It will simply be a big stick to hold over employees heads. "They can do that Brother"
WE shall see soon enough. What is rent at AFW anyway about a 1/2 million per month? Some where close to that I think.
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<_< ----- Why is it you'all are so anxious to close MCI? As Ken said, they do have those two big bays that can handle anything in AA's fleet including the 777.----- Although AA has access to wide body hanger space all over their domestic system that is going unused! The old exTWA hanger at LAX was used for 747, L1011 "C" checks. Two at a time! And their own hanger at LAX, I believe, is big enough to handle wide bodies!------- So they need more??? :huh:
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MCI, I can see your point. But you have to remember that TULSA is AA's MAIN BASE.....Alot has been invested over decades and still continues to be and with the help of the city. This is the reality long before the purchase of TWA assets. AFW is rumored to be on the hit list and possible a reason for taking over the DFW Delta facility.
Heck JFK hangar 10 is beginning to look like an empty lot with no long term leasing commitment.
I realize you see this as an effort to remove anything TWA, but how many main bases does AA need?
With the retirement of the A300's, much space has been made available.
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Correct you are about LAX. They can put 4 widebodies in the Superbay and 3 SFO.
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<_< ------That plan has been in the works for the last twenty years!----- Hasn't happened yet! And with todays economy, I don't think it will happen soon!!!!
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Why is it KCKen complains that we don't have the balls to tell you MCI will close.
Then when we tell him it will. You accuse me of being anxious to close it.
I didn't state any anxious desires, nor do I have the control over MCI or any other maintenance base. You obviously have issues and cannot be pleased no matter what is said here.
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<_< -------That wasn't me kido! I think I know AA's agenda!
We? Don't tell me you've crossed over to the Dark Side :bleh:
Seriously, as I've said before, all I'd like to see is the compAAny to give us the same ability to do long(er)-range planning as they do. Come on, folks, it's pAAinfully obvious they have no interest in this place -- other than to make damn sure it can't be reAAssembled into something that could be used as a MRO/FBO to compete with them.
The roof still leaks like a sieve, they can't repave the damn parking lot (but they sure can (text excised)-up the parking with a stupid re-striping layout) and there's only one elevator to get to Cubicle City, since they won't fix the escalator that comes up outside of the cafeteria (which is now closed too). PM projects all but stopped once Cubicle City transformed the old shops into a wAAsteland (and rendered it all but impossible to use the area as it was originally designed, see above). All the hoopla over the 767 MAUI is turning out to be a lot of hot air; I remember when there was the big ramp-up to do the 757 MAUI (which we did the guinea pig work for and nothing after that) and there's been nothing of the sort for the 767. With the 767 winglet rumors/realities (parts) it will surprise me if MCI does more than 3 or 4 more and that'll head south as well.
I can imagine many out there don't want MCI to close, because once we're gone there won't be a "cushion" that will protect the core AA facilities from the next reduction. But the reality has already been noted: the fleet size will soon be smaller than it was when there was only one AA maintenance base and AA really doesn't want to commit to MRO on a large scale. So come out and AAdmit it already.
Sure, you're going to have some idiots that will make an AAss out of themselves -- so fire them and you'll save the severance package. Advance notice (and I'm talking about several months, not 30 days) would give the smart ones the ability to plan an exit strategy into another career field or relocating without a big rush at the last minute.
Is this too much to ask? Guess so.
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You're right MCI days are numbered. I'm sure all there are great mechanics and people. Sometimes it kills me when you and MCI transplant keep preaching how we (the AA mechanics) owe you something. I don't want anyone to lose their job but, those who think TWA mechanics should have been dovetailed are just wrong. Had everything been turned around TWA mechanics wouldn't have wanted AA mechanics to be dovetailed. I think your right that AA should give some notice to all who will be layed off so they can plan ahead of time. AA won't do it cause they don't want production to slow. It's just how AA does business. I wish all who are affected by any RIF all the luck in the world. Hell, I could be one of them.
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<_< -------Jim, the only thing I've expected of any AA employee is the respect due us as exTWA AMT's! We may not have seen eye to eye on a lot of issues, but I feel most exTWAers do respect their fellow AA counterparts! ---------Will AA close MCIE? I have to admit it looks that way! I wish it were not so! What a waste of talent and resources! :down:
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