southwind
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Does it really matter if it's in writing ? Unions took cuts over the last several years that weren't in writing !
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Does it really matter if it's in writing ? Unions took cuts over the last several years that weren't in writing !
Kev3188
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Actually, yes, it does matter. Specifically that it's in writing in a CBA.
No they didn't.
southwind
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So, no union employee took any kind of cut since 9/11 ? Or is it that they did, but it was done in writing ? :blink:
2BlacknBlue
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Every airline has taken some form of cut, including layoffs, benefits, and compensation. But DL seems to have taken the worst. Prior to 9-11, DL was top pay (remember top pay for top performance?) According to the DL 2009 pay chart, the bottom 3 were USAir, NWA, and DL. DL took the biggest fall, not to mention being experimental lab rats with big bucket, small bucket sick-time. It was finally determined that you went from 7 weeks renewable sick-time to only 42sick hours per year. Let's not even start on the lop-sided vacation policy!
It seems as if DL's policies on benefits and compensation had been written on an etch-a-sketch!
btw, even the bk Judge Prudence Carter-Beatty looked at the non-union DL employees position as pathetic.
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SkyguyB727
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An Etch-a-Sketch is perfect for writing promises about pay and benefits. One quick shake and the promises all disappear! You made some very good points, 2BlacknBlue.
It takes a bankruptcy or job action to change it.
Liken it to your mortgage company increasing your interest rate from 6% to 12% overnight because they thought it would benefit the company.
You would go to them and tell them "I have a contract"? You cannot do that!
Or would you? As long as the mortgage company is doing better, why not?
I am sure you can spare the extra $$$
southwind
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Did AA file for bankruptcy recently, because I overheard they took some cuts in the past?
Job action?............please explain.
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SkyguyB727
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See reply #39. When NW agreed not to outsource 40 stations, they were bound to that promise by the CBA. When DL promised in writing that mainline staff would handle the entire operation in the referenced stations, well, that "promise" appears to have Gone With The Wind.
Keep in mind that all AA customer service and reservations agents are non-union. That's why they can easily have pay and benefit cuts forced on them with no recourse.
AA's represented workgroups (pilots, FAs, mechanics and fleet) took cuts of $1.62 billion a year in 2003; management, support staff and non-union agents contributed another $180 million for a total of $1.8 billion annually.
Kev3188
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Well, while you were eavesdropping, maybe you should've listened closer. If you had, you'd have heard the part where they VOTED on a T/A to take those cuts.
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N E G O T I A T E D, not imposed
2BlacknBlue
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''It's a classic win-win situation,'' he said in a telephone interview yesterday. ''They got a deal that pretty largely conforms with the portfolio of items that they wanted. And the deal helps the company.''
"Shut up, please! Please be quiet," Beatty told Delta lawyer Jack Gallagher during a tense exchange over whether pay cuts already imposed on non-pilots should be a factor in whether tovoid the pilots' contract."We are asking for the consideration of the rights of 44,000 people," Gallagher loudlycountered, adding later that "your remarks indicate your leaning.""Don't put that burden on me. The company made that decision," Beatty replied.
Dl management sided with the pilots when they rewarded them an industry leading 2000 contract protesting that it is a "Win, win" for the company, but quickly jumped to the non-union side when it was time to abrogate the contract in bankruptcy court.
Where does the non-union, non-pilot, non-contract Delta employee fit in all of this?
southwind
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You can paint it whatever color you choose but a pay-cut is a pay-cut is a pay-cut !
So they took cuts, just like non-union peeps, except they paid union dues to take them ?
