Over 80k Per Pilot!

[Dizel8]

The additional sacrifice asked of these 3500 pilots, $295 million/year, in simplistic terms, equates to an additional $84,285/year per pilot (in wages and benefits).

Heck, even if the current pilots portion of this is half, ie not including the retirees etc., that seems like a boat load of money, on top of what have already been given.

How is this possible?

 

[Justme]

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[BoeingBoy]

Just the pay and DC retirement plan changes mean approximately $75,000 per year to me. What the value of the other changes amounts to is hard to figure as there are too many variables.

Jim

 

[jack mama]

BoeingBoy,
I don't know if I'd go down that road. You aren't going to get much sympathy if a 20% pay reduction and a 30% reduction in DC is $75,000 a year. What must you be making now...most employees at US Airways are lucky to pull in $40-50 k!!!

 

[Dizel8]

That may be so, however, had they pursued the flying job, they could have been BB.

Class war fare is a bad thing and leads no where!

 

[N924PS]

BoeingBoy,
I don't know if I'd go down that road. You aren't going to get much sympathy if a 20% pay reduction and a 30% reduction in DC is $75,000 a year. What must you be making now...most employees at US Airways are lucky to pull in $40-50 k!!!

[post="177587"][/post]​

Oh here we go again. Class warfare.


How many of the $40-50K employees had more stringent employment qualifications tham "High School Diploma" and "Ability to Work Well With the Public" or "able to lift 80 pounds" as prerequisites for employment?

No one is looking for sympathy. Just fair wages for the job at hand. Making sure the company is vibrant and successful.

And by the way last Ashby/Glass offer was 21%Pay/50%DC. Unacceptable.

 

[Borescope]

21% of something and 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Get on with it, So you might have to sell your Porsche, there are plenty of other ways to get the girls.

 

[luv2fly]

21% of something and 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Get on with it, So you might have to sell your Porsche, there are plenty of other ways to get the girls.

[post="177615"][/post]​

To he!! with the Porche,.... don't touch my Harley.

 

[MrAeroMan]

21% of something and 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Get on with it, So you might have to sell your Porsche, there are plenty of other ways to get the girls.

[post="177615"][/post]​

I know a lot of pilots. 99.5% of them are hard working, honest, impeccable integrity and very intelligent. They have families and don't cheat on their wives and the ones that are single aren't out chasing all the women in skirts. The other 0.5% give the others the bad name. The ones I know don't own Porsche's or any other type of extravagent vehicle. As a matter of fact most of them drive older vehicles with tons of miles on them. They work on them themselves and get all they can out of them. They're nice people that work hard. I realize your comment might've been tongue in cheek but I had to say this to help dispell that characterization.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Aw c'mon guys!! Would say this crap to your physician? Pilots are paid more because the job requires extensive education and skill. If you want to make these kinds of salaries get your butt back to college.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

I know a lot of pilots. 99.5% of them are hard working, honest, impeccable integrity and very intelligent. ..... I realize your comment might've been tongue in cheek but I had to say this to help dispell that characterization.

[post="177619"][/post]​

Thank you!

 

[Borescope]

Mr Aeroman,
Hey, I can sympathize with you. I can only wish that I could drive one of them Porche's, or for that matter make the kind of money the pilots do. I got a 1976 Chrysler Cordoba, you know the one with the corinthane leather. Heck it even has an AM/FM 8 Track built into the dash, 295,000 miles and a tilt wheel. The kids are embarassed to ride in it and even if I wanted to cheat on my wife (the thought of which has never entered my mind), I couldn't get any woman to set foot in it. But it does get me to the airpport and back

 

[EyeInTheSky]

even if I wanted to cheat on my wife (the thought of which has never entered my mind), I couldn't get any woman to set foot in it. But it does get me to the airpport and back

[post="177624"][/post]​

Borescope, you do know about blindfolds don't you? That may be one way around getting a WO-MAN to set foot in the old love machine. How come you don't have a fur dashboard and a bobbin Hula girl in the car? What's the matter with you?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Piney, it's not that simple. And, you know I am one of the younger guys. What you saw is one group preserving decades of work rules as per ALPA bylaws; whereas, the other group was more swift in trying to tear down these rules. Believe it or not, many of these work rules make the company MORE efficient. It's a system of checks and balances: you schedule us this many hours we are to be paid this much. Look, I'll work longer hours, just don't schedule me sitting around being non-productive. We have that now and we've been screaming for changes for years. Knowing this, I truly believe if the company had gotten everything it wanted it would have us all over the place, less productive, and worse to us no getting paid for our time. Sorry Piney, it's about much more than retirement; its more complicated than what you gathering.

 

[javaboy]

People referencing (or concerned about pension plans) might want to take a look at a book that i am reading which believe it or not predicted the demise of most pensions in the coming years

this book written in 2002, is i think 5 or 6 in a series of books. i thought i i was reading the "usair" story at certain points in the book, yet this is about all pensions. and how most companies intent in the next few years was to move from db to dc and eliminate if able.

i am not advocating this book nor endorsing it but merely relating that it is applicable to older as well as younger (if i may use that term) workers today that are "expecting or depending" on a pension or even Social Security.. key words DEPENDING.

it is from the Rich Dad Poor Dad series, called Prophecy. while this does nothing to ease the pain of what has happened to the pensions i found it very interesting to note it was not company specific yet it seems to be a rising trend.