Opposition To Wn At Sea

[JS]

Gary Kelly has only been CEO for a year. At the time the current F/A contract was ratified, his title was CFO. If anyone should have "grown a pair"(charming analogy by the way) it should have been then CEO Jim Parker or more accurately Herb Kelleher who stepped in and brokered the current agreement.

[post="292651"][/post]​

My mistake. Now I remember, it was Parker who was CEO.

 

[luver41]

Just wondering if the BFI-WN deal falls through, are there other airports in the Seattle area, outside King County, that might be happier to have Southwest?

 

[whlinder]

There is Paine Field in Snohomish county, which is north of the city by Everett.

 

[jimntx]

Please cite your source validating the statement that SWA can't afford the raises.

[post="292456"][/post]​

My source? Well, I believe that would be you. YOU were the one who said SWA had pay raises coming up and Gary wants to find a way to pay for them. Your words, not mine.

Several SWA labor groups have contractural raises coming up. Gary has said he wants to find a way to pay for them! That means cutting costs elsewhere so the money can go to the employees.

Any other questions?

 

[KCFlyer]

My source? Well, I believe that would be you. YOU were the one who said SWA had pay raises coming up and Gary wants to find a way to pay for them. Your words, not mine.
Any other questions?

[post="292714"][/post]​

Hmmmm...that seems better than the old days at the other airlines where "industry leading contract" was the watchword - and managment didn't look for ways to pay for them until after the fact.

 

[jimntx]

Hmmmm...that seems better than the old days at the other airlines where "industry leading contract" was the watchword - and managment didn't look for ways to pay for them until after the fact.

[post="292727"][/post]​

In the first place, AT THE TIME that the "industry leading contract" was signed, the company COULD pay for it. The fact that 9/11 happened shortly after had nothing to do with the original affordability of the contract.

And as far as "after the fact" finding ways to pay for a contract, according to corl37 that is exactly what SWA is doing right now. Trying to break other contractual agreements to pay for the employee raises. Pay attention to the tense of the verbs. "Wants to find a way to pay" means he doesn't have one right now.

 

[SWAFA30]

In the first place, AT THE TIME that the "industry leading contract" was signed, the company COULD pay for it. The fact that 9/11 happened shortly after had nothing to do with the original affordability of the contract.

And as far as "after the fact" finding ways to pay for a contract, according to corl37 that is exactly what SWA is doing right now. Trying to break other contractual agreements to pay for the employee raises. Pay attention to the tense of the verbs. "Wants to find a way to pay" means he doesn't have one right now.

[post="292745"][/post]​

I think it's important to point out that whatever Gary Kelly may or may not have said...the point he was likely trying to communicate was that he wants to find a way to "afford" payroll increases...without significant increases in CASM. I don't think they're quite to the point of bake sales, passing the hat and burning the furniture.

 

[JS]

... by passing the labor cost increase to the taxpayers. Thanks a lot.

I think we would be better off handing Southwest a $150 million check (call it an ATSB grant) rather than duplicate transportation infrastructure in cities that do not need two major airports.

Major is the operative word. I like Love Field, and it want it to stay open, but not jammed with traffic while DFW turns into a ghost town. Same with BFI. Go ahead and open BFI but run it like an EFD (which Continental gave up on for some stupid reason).

 

[luver41]

... by passing the labor cost increase to the taxpayers.  Thanks a lot.

If your so concerned about taxpayer money, why don't you check and see how much the Port Authority of Seattle pisses away every year with four-star hotels, first class flights, unecessary terminal improvements, etc. The Port Authority brought this on, not Southwest.

 

[corl737]

My source? Well, I believe that would be you. YOU were the one who said SWA had pay raises coming up and Gary wants to find a way to pay for them. Your words, not mine.
Any other questions?

[post="292714"][/post]​

Ok, I'll give you that ... to a point. SWA can afford the raises right now. What I probably should have added was to state "... find a way to pay for them without reducing the profit margins."

Sorry for the less-than-specific wording earlier.

 

[N924PS]

If Seattle doesn't want those additional Southwest flights there are plenty of cities that do.  If the locals kill the Boeing Field deal, don't expect much in the way of Southwest flight increases at Sea-Tac.

[post="292377"][/post]​

No problem. The new LCC in town, USAirways, will be glad to help out. What goes around comes around. Catch Our Smile.

 

[N924PS]

If Seattle doesn't want those additional Southwest flights there are plenty of cities that do. If the locals kill the Boeing Field deal, don't expect much in the way of Southwest flight increases at Sea-Tac.

[post="292377"][/post]​

No problem. The new LCC in town, USAirways, will be glad to help out. WHat goes around comes around.

 

[corl737]

No problem. The new LCC in town, USAirways, will be glad to help out. WHat goes around comes around.

[post="293942"][/post]​

I'm so amused that all the "New US Airways" have already crowned themselves the new king of the skies. This despite having yet to receive approval for a merger from their shareholders... yet to operate a single flight out of bankruptcy ... should I go on?

I wish the new airline well, but as the phrase goes, don't count your chickens ....

Ego has brought the end to more than one airline. It can happen again... even to SWA.

 

[N924PS]

I'm so amused that all the "New US Airways" have already crowned themselves the new king of the skies. This despite having yet to receive approval for a merger from their shareholders... yet to operate a single flight out of bankruptcy ... should I go on?

I wish the new airline well, but as the phrase goes, don't count your chickens ....

Ego has brought the end to more than one airline. It can happen again... even to SWA.

[post="293980"][/post]​

USAirways is not the new King of the Skies, but for the first time in a long time should be able to be competitive in the marketplace. This was painfully accomplished on the backs of thousands of USAirways employees while certain CEO's and senior managers prospered at the employees expense.

Also, Doug Parker truly wants to run an airline, not sell it. America West has been able to compete with WN and I am confident the new USAirways will finally be able to do so as well. No one can be Southwest but Southwest, but others can and will be competitive.

Color US cautiously optimistic for a change.

 

[JS]

USAirways is not the new King of the Skies, but for the first time in a long time should be able to be competitive in the marketplace. This was painfully accomplished on the backs of thousands of USAirways employees while certain CEO's and senior managers prospered at the employees expense.

Also, Doug Parker truly wants to run an airline, not sell it. America West has been able to compete with WN and I am confident the new USAirways will finally be able to do so as well. No one can be Southwest but Southwest, but others can and will be competitive.

Color US cautiously optimistic for a change.

[post="294155"][/post]​

USAir(ways) has been trying to merge itself out of trouble for 15 years. Just give up!