Obama Death Panels

[delldude]

And you still don't see what you are missing.

The government will do what the rich wants it to do. They own the insurance companies. Insurance companies would rather people die than pay to get them well.

Do you still worship the rich?

Then why the rush to single payor?

Then your much heralded government will decide who lives and who dies.

But no, that won't happen now will it?

Worked better when the rich ran it or the government?

Do you still worship the government?

 

[Dog Wonder]

What rush to single payer?

The rush was to force everyone to be insured. The number of insured goes up. The number of healthy insured goes up. Insurance companies have more money to play with and keep for themselves.

Worshipping government and worshipping the rich are one and the same.

 

[dapoes]

What rush to single payer?

The rush was to force everyone to be insured. The number of insured goes up. The number of healthy insured goes up. Insurance companies have more money to play with and keep for themselves.

Wow......thats some thought process there. You must work for the Obama administration.

 

[Veritas]

Politico - Death knell for 'death panel' debate?

Richard Sorian, assistant secretary of Public Affairs for HHS, said the regulation does not require that the doctor say anything, but merely defines what advance-care planning is.

“The conversation between a patient and a doctor is a) voluntary and b) confidential. It is up to the patient and doctor to determine what that conversation is, or whether to have the conversation in the first place,” he said.

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The decision about end-of-life discussions is entirely in the hands of the patient, Sorian said. It is up to the Medicare patient to decide. “Do I want a discussion about end-of-life care? And then, it’s up to the patient about what they want to discuss.”

Sorian also clarified that it was the Bush administration that first implemented regulations regarding end-of-life counseling. The wellness visit began as a “Welcome to Medicare” exam, which was created by the Republican-led Congress in the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003. In 2008, when Democrats held the majority, Congress passed the Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act, which modified the exam to include end-of-life planning. The Bush administration first implemented regulations that included the end-of life planning as part of the wellness visit created in MIPPA.

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Radulovic said the regulation will be the springboard for patients to make use of an important benefit. “We feel this gives a patient or Medicare beneficiary the opportunity to become an informed consumer and make their own choices that reflect their own beliefs,” he said. As patients age, he said, their views on hospice or palliative care might evolve and the regulation allows for that.

“This is not about rationing care or saving money, it’s about making sure patients understand what options are available before there is a health care crisis,” he said.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Wow......thats some thought process there. You must work for the Obama administration.

The Obama adminstration needs me like the Palin administration needs you.

Oh wait, there is no Palin administration. She lost.

 

[dapoes]

The Obama adminstration needs me like the Palin administration needs you.

You might as well, you seem to mirror their ideology.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Too bad we got off the topic of the rich owning government.

 

[delldude]

What rush to single payer?

The rush was to force everyone to be insured. The number of insured goes up. The number of healthy insured goes up. Insurance companies have more money to play with and keep for themselves.

Worshipping government and worshipping the rich are one and the same.

Dog, its about breaking the backs of private insurers so they can't afford it and good old gov't will step in with single payor...Thats the progressive agenda with HC.



Research tides foundation and the apollo project and their goal of single payor and their direct input to this administration Dog.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Have you ever tried to get an insurance company to follow the rules? One state passes to another, the federal government passes to the states. The insurance companies are as tight with their regulators as the oil companies are. Money running government. Since the cost is in individual lives, instead of a bunch of lives at one time, the outrage is splintered.

If by some bizarre set of circunmstances government ignores money and pigs fly, a private insurer gets a broken back, I have crocodile tears for them.

And I sincerely hope they are treated with the same compassion they have for cancer patients.

It will never happen. Because the rich you worship, and the government you hate, are one and the same.

 

[xUT]

I want to be a soylent whiener...

 

[delldude]

Have you ever tried to get an insurance company to follow the rules? One state passes to another, the federal government passes to the states. The insurance companies are as tight with their regulators as the oil companies are. Money running government. Since the cost is in individual lives, instead of a bunch of lives at one time, the outrage is splintered.

If by some bizarre set of circunmstances government ignores money and pigs fly, a private insurer gets a broken back, I have crocodile tears for them.

And I sincerely hope they are treated with the same compassion they have for cancer patients.

It will never happen. Because the rich you worship, and the government you hate, are one and the same.

Don't work that way with the progressive socialist crowd in control now.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Don't work that way with the progressive socialist crowd in control now.

Are you saying the rich aren't running the government?

 

[dapoes]

Are you saying the rich aren't running the government?

Your statement isn't too far off the reservation. But I think you need to clarify/quantify who it is that is the "rich" in your mind.

Is it the sports/rock/rap stars featured on MTV cribs with uber houses and a fleet of Bentleys?
Is it the owner of a handful of franchise fast food joints?
Is it small business owner who employs and contributes to his local economy?

or do you mean people who use their wealth and influence for nefarious purposes?
Rich like George Soros?
Rich like Oprah Winfrey?

If the later is who you referring to, then you are 100% correct?

 

[Dog Wonder]

You left out insurance companies, big oil, the health care industry, Wall Street, and the banking industry.

All of which make it their business to buy any piece of Washington for sale.

 

[Ms Tree]

Your statement isn't too far off the reservation. But I think you need to clarify/quantify who it is that is the "rich" in your mind.

Is it the sports/rock/rap stars featured on MTV cribs with uber houses and a fleet of Bentleys?
Is it the owner of a handful of franchise fast food joints?
Is it small business owner who employs and contributes to his local economy?

or do you mean people who use their wealth and influence for nefarious purposes?
Rich like George Soros?
Rich like Oprah Winfrey?

If the later is who you referring to, then you are 100% correct?

How about rich like oil, pharma, manufacturing such as auto, aviation and rail companies, defense contractors just to name a few. And don't forget the lawyers.

It's odd (OK not really) that you did not mention someone like Rupert Murdoch but then you have never been know for your lack of bias. Please carry on with your liberal bad conservative good mantra.