Not Getting the 4% Right Away is Actually an Advantage for MX

[NYer]

The negativity has been so thick on the 4% raise that it seems most have actually missed that it is actually better for AMT's to get the raise later rather than now.
 
Let's see how long it will take the party poopers to realize they're on the wrong side of the argument.
 
You guys really need to think things through before just going to the automatic negative responses about not getting the 4% immediately.

 

[bigjets]

I think most aa people aren't reading this forum. I'm guessing it's a small minority of the 100k employees.

 

[Tater Salad]

The negativity has been so thick on the 4% raise that it seems most have actually missed that it is actually better for AMT's to get the raise later rather than now.
 
Let's see how long it will take the party poopers to realize they're on the wrong side of the argument.
 
You guys really need to think things through before just going to the automatic negative responses about not getting the 4% immediately.

What are your reasons for believing so?

 

[NYer]

What are your reasons for believing so?

 
Well, there are many on these forums that continually tell us we are the lowest paid in the industry. If that is true, then our best way to get ahead is by compounding our raises.
 
Today, we know that we will get a raise in September 2015 and also a wage adjuster to bring us to at the least the average of UA and DL.
 
If that is also true then isn't it better to get the 4% after we've come closer to the average rather than before. Why?
 
Simply, if we add 4% right now and an additional 3% later, then in September we will either not get a bump or we'll get a small bump.
 
So, isn't it better to get to industry average first and then get another 4% on top of that.

 

[xUT]

I laughed so hard I almost pissed my pants....

 

[dfw gen]

Yea I had the same reaction.

 

[MetalMover]

The negativity has been so thick on the 4% raise that it seems most have actually missed that it is actually better for AMT's to get the raise later rather than now.
 
Let's see how long it will take the party poopers to realize they're on the wrong side of the argument.
 
You guys really need to think things through before just going to the automatic negative responses about not getting the 4% immediately.

 

[Flying low]

Well, there are many on these forums that continually tell us we are the lowest paid in the industry. If that is true, then our best way to get ahead is by compounding our raises.
 
Today, we know that we will get a raise in September 2015 and also a wage adjuster to bring us to at the least the average of UA and DL.
 
If that is also true then isn't it better to get the 4% after we've come closer to the average rather than before. Why?
 
Simply, if we add 4% right now and an additional 3% later, then in September we will either not get a bump or we'll get a small bump.
 
So, isn't it better to get to industry average first and then get another 4% on top of that.

NYer, weren't you the that claimed the "industry average raise" wasn't going to be all that much anyway? It was a while back if my memory servers me correct.

 

[Bob Owens]

NYer will always try to come up with a spin to justify us making less and management doing whatever they do. 

 

[700UW]

Kinda like how you blame everyone else instead of yourself?

 

[WeAAsles]

Kinda like how you blame everyone else instead of yourself?

People don't like to blame themselves for anything 700. It's far easier just to point those fingers elsewhere. I blame myself for not taking the NYPD job when I was 22 and was called. I blame myself for not taking enough lessons to drive a stick shift when I was 24 and had the opportunity to drive for UPS. I blame myself for not wanting to take the test to be a garbageman in NY because I didn't like the idea and now my old buddy MO makes over 100k per year. I blame myself for a lot of things.

Makes you a little more humble when you blame yourself sometimes.

 

[NYer]

NYer, weren't you the that claimed the "industry average raise" wasn't going to be all that much anyway? It was a while back if my memory servers me correct.

 
Nope.

 

[NYer]

NYer will always try to come up with a spin to justify us making less and management doing whatever they do. 

 
It seems this will get us more....but then again, your preferred method of getting more is saying, "no."
 
I know, it's not your fault. The entire TWU machinations is against you.

 

[scorpion 2]

 
Well, there are many on these forums that continually tell us we are the lowest paid in the industry. If that is true, then our best way to get ahead is by compounding our raises.
 
Today, we know that we will get a raise in September 2015 and also a wage adjuster to bring us to at the least the average of UA and DL.
 
If that is also true then isn't it better to get the 4% after we've come closer to the average rather than before. Why?
 
Simply, if we add 4% right now and an additional 3% later, then in September we will either not get a bump or we'll get a small bump.
 
So, isn't it better to get to industry average first and then get another 4% on top of that.

So your admitting that jim little giving away the last 5% of our profit sharing was a bonehead move? We would have gotten the raise anyway come september and still had profit sharing.
That decision was made by the whole twu machine ie. (jim little) One guy behind the curtain playing wizard .    Nobody in the twu membership had a voice in that decision or even knew it was about to happen. This is union??   What kind of BS are we paying dues too?  

 

[NYer]

So your admitting that jim little giving away the last 5% of our profit sharing was a bonehead move? We would have gotten the raise anyway come september and still had profit sharing.
That decision was made by the whole twu machine ie. (jim little) One guy behind the curtain playing wizard .    Nobody in the twu membership had a voice in that decision or even knew it was about to happen. This is union??   What kind of BS are we paying dues too?  

 
Not at all. Parker was very adamant about not paying profit sharing during the merger talks. That is something that was not going to survive moving forward, in the mean time we've received a 4.3% raise that has lifted our wages and 401K totals beyond what we'd achieve in one year of profit sharing.
 
That same decision was made by all the unions.
 
It's very strange to hear some of the same folks always arguing we're the lowest paid to be upset about raises in pay. We had profit sharing from 2003 to 2012 and these same folks were arguing the airline was hiding money and cooking the books so they can show a loss and not pay out the profit sharing. =/