Northwest Maintenance

[peaches]

Now, think about the guys that are working there NOW. If the company ever decides to do something silly like ask for another pay cut, they will WALK....no notice, no "thanks for the memories", no kiss on the cheek.

I certainly hope so. But then again, AMFA did exactly that.

HA!!...there's about as much chance of that as there is of a really UGLY chick with warts and a harelip marrying Brad Pitt....just ain't gonna happen, fella.

Ya don't think??? Explain Llyle Lovett and Julia Roberts then.

Welcome to the glamorous and exciting world of COMPETING in the workplace, dude.

Have fun competing with 3rd-World workers where $5/day is middle class.....

 

[Hackman]

I find it absolutely astonishing that there are individuals such as yourself that were EVER in aviation. It's obvious where your loyalties (misplaced loyalties, at that) lie. You'd much rather be out there in the cold, jobless, spending your savings on necessitites rather than retirement, spouting mindless, nearly illiterate, led-by-the-nose-by-DeLaFemme drivel about how WONDERFUL your alleged "union" is and how you're going to make this HUGE comeback. Get real, dipstick.....the mechanics that work for NWA right NOW have more power and pull than AMFA ever had, or ever WOULD have.

Wow....quite the pile of nonsensical bovine rubbish for a first post Studfloss. Just when I thought PlaytheCods has out done himself, you come along....beautiful. You win a gold star for stupidity, congratulations.

I am not going to address the scab lovin' blather your inane rambling post consists of, its that bad. In the future if your going to call me illiterate and mindless, at least try to spell "necessities" correctly. Please use some kind of sentence structure beyond the third grade level.

I realize these feats will be difficult with the man's Codsack resting on your chin, but it can be done. Looks to me like you might be a IAM Booby DeScab believer, if so watch out for the blight light coming at you. Its Booby DeScab on the concessions sell-out train.

Dear god, someone please help this clown;

"You'd much rather be out there in the cold, jobless, spending your savings on necessitites rather than retirement, spouting mindless, nearly illiterate, led-by-the-nose-by-DeLaFemme drivel about how WONDERFUL your alleged "union" is and how you're going to make this HUGE comeback." :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

 

[groundcontrol]

Hackman,

Your post struck me as absolutely hilarious. 😀 Maybe you should tell “studflossâ€￾ exactly how you feel without holding back next time.

You my good man have made my day. Laughter is truly the best medicine. 😀

Ps… wonder if he will ever post again! 😛

 

[Kev3188]

NWA doesn't need its union mechanics back, they need to get rid of the IAM and then things will be a lot better off here.

PTO--

Still waiting for that factual evidence of IAM sanctioned sabotage. Take all the time you need......

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Like I said Kev come on down I'll show it to you.

 

[StudHoss]

Wow....quite the pile of nonsensical bovine rubbish for a first post Studfloss. Just when I thought PlaytheCods has out done himself, you come along....beautiful. You win a gold star for stupidity, congratulations.

I am not going to address the scab lovin' blather your inane rambling post consists of, its that bad. In the future if your going to call me illiterate and mindless, at least try to spell "necessities" correctly. Please use some kind of sentence structure beyond the third grade level.

I realize these feats will be difficult with the man's Codsack resting on your chin, but it can be done. Looks to me like you might be a IAM Booby DeScab believer, if so watch out for the blight light coming at you. Its Booby DeScab on the concessions sell-out train.

Dear god, someone please help this clown;

"You'd much rather be out there in the cold, jobless, spending your savings on necessitites rather than retirement, spouting mindless, nearly illiterate, led-by-the-nose-by-DeLaFemme drivel about how WONDERFUL your alleged "union" is and how you're going to make this HUGE comeback." :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

Ahhhhh.....at last, true colors fly. From your various rants against "scabs" (and I'm guessing that you'd rant against them in ANY forum....not just aviation), I can see that you have been thoroughly brainwashed by the modern union model. That is to say, the union model that assumes that the only competent individuals in this world are those who achieve the lofty status of.....U N I O N M A N.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKK ! ! ! ! !

I've been a dues-surrendering union member for years, pal. I've been, in order, a Temaster, a UAW member, and an IAM member, and all I've EVER heard from any of them, in any situation, is how much they say they can get for me. Of course, they never seem to manage to actually deliver. In all my years AS a union member, they only thing I've EVER seen is broken promises, bad faith, and greed by union leaders. This is the case with AMFA......or, rather, this WAS the case with AMFA. They have NO support from other unions because of "membership raiding", they have historically been incapable of any kind of effective public relations, and they are completely unable to acknowledge reality.

I will NEVER willingly become a union member again.

I've read just about all your posts, HackMan, and I have come to conclusion. You are of the "old school". Your union idols are probably the likes of Jimmy Hoffa, Sr. and Samuel Gompers, individuals who ran roughshod over both corporate management staffs and their own members. Your rhetoric, while bold and inflammatory, holds no ring of truth. It is, as Shakespeare put it, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". I'm beginning to wonder if you EARNED your nickname, HackMan, by actually BEING a "hack"....someone whose work was so spotty and inconsistent that it had to be looked at by others who were FAR more competent.

By the way, you actually were correct in two instances. The word "necessities" was, indeed, a typographic error. Mea culpa. And as far as that sentence that you had such a difficult time understanding, I'll say this: FAR 65.1 states in part that each person applying for an airman's mechanic certificate with airframe and powerplant endorsements shall be able to "read, write, speak, and understand the English language." Nice job, dude.....it appears that you've got one out of four, sorta.......I guess next week, you start on the "reading" and "understanding" parts.

I guess this also puts to rest your concern that I might not post again, thereby depriving your reading public of more of your lightning wit and laser-like intellect.

I'm here for the duration, pal......

Any time.....anywhere.

A couple more things.....

1) In your opening sentence, the word "senseless" would have been a better choice than "nonsensical"......"nonsensical" is a colloquialism infrequently used in effective communication.

2) In the second paragraph, second sentence, you improperly used "your"....it should have been "you're".

3) I'm going to assume that the "blight light" you refer to in paragraph three should be a "bright light". I'm not going to give you enough credit to have used the word "blight" correctly.

4) The word you use in your fourth, single-sentence paragraph that refers to the deity is ALWAYS capitalized.

Not too bad on the whole, though......you've earned yourself a B for grammar and structure.....and D- for content.


It appears that I made a couple of typos in the long post. I hate it when that happens.

1) "In all my years AS a union member, they only....." should read....."In all my years AS a union member the only......"

2) "I've read just about all your posts, HackMan, and I have come to conclusion.".....should read "I've read just about all your posts, HackMan, and I have come to a conclusion."

 

[StudHoss]

PTO--

Still waiting for that factual evidence of IAM sanctioned sabotage. Take all the time you need......

Nobody ever said it was SANCTIONED by union officials. That would constitute criminal intent. Any "sanctioned" sabotage would be subject to Federal prosecution, since there is an ongoing labor "situation". All that's being said is that there are IAM members who have taken it upon themselves to commit acts of deliberate sabotage against aircraft and ground equipment. I hope they get caught, just like the flight attendants who got caught on videotape damaging an aircraft's interior furnishings, and I sincerely hope they understand that they will reap what they sow.

Ahhhhh.....at last, true colors fly. From your various rants against "scabs" (and I'm guessing that you'd rant against them in ANY forum....not just aviation), I can see that you have been thoroughly brainwashed by the modern union model. That is to say, the union model that assumes that the only competent individuals in this world are those who achieve the lofty status of.....U N I O N M A N.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKK ! ! ! ! !

I've been a dues-surrendering union member for years, pal. I've been, in order, a Temaster, a UAW member, and an IAM member, and all I've EVER heard from any of them, in any situation, is how much they say they can get for me. Of course, they never seem to manage to actually deliver. In all my years AS a union member, they only thing I've EVER seen is broken promises, bad faith, and greed by union leaders. This is the case with AMFA......or, rather, this WAS the case with AMFA. They have NO support from other unions because of "membership raiding", they have historically been incapable of any kind of effective public relations, and they are completely unable to acknowledge reality.

I will NEVER willingly become a union member again.

I've read just about all your posts, HackMan, and I have come to conclusion. You are of the "old school". Your union idols are probably the likes of Jimmy Hoffa, Sr. and Samuel Gompers, individuals who ran roughshod over both corporate management staffs and their own members. Your rhetoric, while bold and inflammatory, holds no ring of truth. It is, as Shakespeare put it, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". I'm beginning to wonder if you EARNED your nickname, HackMan, by actually BEING a "hack"....someone whose work was so spotty and inconsistent that it had to be looked at by others who were FAR more competent.

By the way, you actually were correct in two instances. The word "necessities" was, indeed, a typographic error. Mea culpa. And as far as that sentence that you had such a difficult time understanding, I'll say this: FAR 65.1 states in part that each person applying for an airman's mechanic certificate with airframe and powerplant endorsements shall be able to "read, write, speak, and understand the English language." Nice job, dude.....it appears that you've got one out of four, sorta.......I guess next week, you start on the "reading" and "understanding" parts.

I guess this also puts to rest your concern that I might not post again, thereby depriving your reading public of more of your lightning wit and laser-like intellect.

I'm here for the duration, pal......

Any time.....anywhere.

A couple more things.....

1) In your opening sentence, the word "senseless" would have been a better choice than "nonsensical"......"nonsensical" is a colloquialism infrequently used in effective communication.

2) In the second paragraph, second sentence, you improperly used "your"....it should have been "you're".

3) I'm going to assume that the "blight light" you refer to in paragraph three should be a "bright light". I'm not going to give you enough credit to have used the word "blight" correctly.

4) The word you use in your fourth, single-sentence paragraph that refers to the deity is ALWAYS capitalized.

Not too bad on the whole, though......you've earned yourself a B for grammar and structure.....and D- for content.
It appears that I made a couple of typos in the long post. I hate it when that happens.

1) "In all my years AS a union member, they only....." should read....."In all my years AS a union member the only......"

2) "I've read just about all your posts, HackMan, and I have come to conclusion.".....should read "I've read just about all your posts, HackMan, and I have come to a conclusion."

Missed another one......I was a "Teamster".....not a "Temaster"......

I certainly hope so. But then again, AMFA did exactly that.
Ya don't think??? Explain Llyle Lovett and Julia Roberts then.
Have fun competing with 3rd-World workers where $5/day is middle class.....

Julia can be forgiven for a momentary lapse of reason and good taste.

I certainly hope so. But then again, AMFA did exactly that.
Ya don't think??? Explain Llyle Lovett and Julia Roberts then.
Have fun competing with 3rd-World workers where $5/day is middle class.....

True, AMFA walked, but there is a difference between then and now. There's not a prayer that the airline will EVER hire back those techs whose performance, attendance, and work ethic was sub-standard.......that's spelled A-M-F-A.

 

[Kev3188]

Nobody ever said it was SANCTIONED by union officials.

PTO has claimed exactly that.

That would constitute criminal intent. Any "sanctioned" sabotage would be subject to Federal prosecution, since there is an ongoing labor "situation".

I don't know about that, but I do that it's both against the language in our collective bargaining agreement, and once proven, is an "instant" termination offense per the company's Code of Conduct.

All that's being said is that there are IAM members who have taken it upon themselves to commit acts of deliberate sabotage against aircraft and ground equipment.

..And all that's being asked for in return is proof of same.

I hope they get caught, just like the flight attendants who got caught on videotape damaging an aircraft's interior furnishings, and I sincerely hope they understand that they will reap what they sow.

When did this happen? What did the F/A's alledgedly do?

Missed another one......I was a "Teamster".....not a "Temaster"......

Just for the record, I think "flaming" people for grammatical errors is weak, and that's coming from someone who hates abuse of the English language.

 

[StudHoss]

PTO has made that exact claim.



Yep.
..And all that's being asked for in return is proof of same.
When did this happen? What did the F/A's alledgedly do?
Just for the record, I think "flaming" people for grammatical errors is weak, and that's coming from someone who hates abuse of the English language.

It was in Week 3 or Week 4 of the strike. Two flight attendants were observed on security video of either an A319 or a DC-9 yanking (or attempting to yank) a galley door off its mounting. The video was mounted in the jetway, and since the forward galleys are right by the L-1 door, the camera got a good shot of them. They were apprehended, summarily fired, relieved of all their credentials and certifications, and escorted into the waiting arms of the FBI.

 

[Kev3188]

Interesting.

By "galley door" I assume you mean one of the storage compartment doors (or closet door on the Airbus)? What city was this in?

This would/should have been big news at NW-at least internally-and yet, I haven't heard a word of it until now. I wonder why that is?

 

[StudHoss]

Interesting.

By "galley door" I assume you mean one of the storage compartment doors (or closet door on the Airbus)? What city was this in?

This would/should have been big news at NW-at least internally-and yet, I haven't heard a word of it until now. I wonder why that is?

It was kept VERY quiet.

Hmmmmmm......"haven't heard about it internally"?......interesting comment......

 

[Kev3188]

It was kept VERY quiet.

Hmmmmmm......"haven't heard about it internally"?......interesting comment......

By "internally" I meant amongst rank and file employees, as opposed to, say, the local media. Since you're new on here, I'll save you from guessing: I'm a ramp lead in a line station.

A story like this would have spread like wildfire, and you know it.

What city was this in, and why do they have cameras in their jetways?

 

[Hackman]

Ahhhhh.....at last, true colors fly. From your various rants against "scabs" (and I'm guessing that you'd rant against them in ANY forum....not just aviation), I can see that you have been thoroughly brainwashed by the modern union model. That is to say, the union model that assumes that the only competent individuals in this world are those who achieve the lofty status of.....U N I O N M A N.

Well of course Studfloss, I do make typo's from time to time at the late hours, and beside the point, your the clown that opened the door busting on me with the illiterate and mindless comments, when your back yard is no better. Oh, to be a wordsmith like you Studfloss....one can only dream.

Sorry to hear of your let downs with the industrial unions, I know how you feel, being a disgusted TWU member myself. Did you ever try to make a difference? Or did you sit back and complain, let the chips fall on your thick skull? I think I know the answer. Being that you have never been an AMFA member, you know nothing of the organization except what your told, read in the bias media, or when PlaytheCods opens his scab pie hole. As far a the AMFA raiding part, its the same old lie. AMFA has no paid organizers, its all grassroots from guys like me. Its a sore spot for the IAM, TWU, and IBT, because they have to pay someone to do their bidding. Also, the fact is they have lost so many members to AMFA, but a aircraft mechanics union for aircraft mechanics is the way it should be. In addition, your wrong on the support from other unions, as the UAW gave AMFA members striking Scab Air a substantial amount of money for their members. As well as some F/A's and groundworkers who came out for picket line duty with us. This is their fight too, as we now see very clearly....they are next.

The word "nonsensical" perfectly discribes your bovine scab lovin' blather, as according to dictionary.com;
1. Lacking intelligible meaning: a nonsensical jumble of words.
2. Foolish; absurd: nonsensical ideas.

Which is what statements like this are;
"You'd much rather be out there in the cold, jobless, spending your savings on necessitites rather than retirement, spouting mindless, nearly illiterate, led-by-the-nose-by-DeLaFemme drivel...." What idiocy.

I also idolize no man. Although I respect many, including Mr. O.V. Delle-Femine. He has more tenacity, morals, and BALLS than most men twice his size, and half his age. This is why corporate airline thugs like Dougie Stealin' hate him, along with their lap dog industrial unions. You also may bust on my name if you like Studfloss, at least mine is the same one I have had for years. Its old news, BTDT, and Gene Hackman is a great actor, glad to be associated with him. It's so much better than "StudHoss", which sounds like a "funny" horse in a movie akin to the Brokeback Mountain genre. Sportin' on the big screen in a pair of sexy "Studfloss" spandex rodeo undies, how fitting. Giddyup....

Glad your sticking around Studfloss, I'll look forward to more nonsensical posts after you visit the boss. His Codpiece runnith over...make sure you clean it well management bootlicker.

 

[Red Tail Bear]

It was in Week 3 or Week 4 of the strike. Two flight attendants were observed on security video of either an A319 or a DC-9 yanking (or attempting to yank) a galley door off its mounting. The video was mounted in the jetway, and since the forward galleys are right by the L-1 door, the camera got a good shot of them. They were apprehended, summarily fired, relieved of all their credentials and certifications, and escorted into the waiting arms of the FBI.

StudHoss,
I'm just curious, How is it that you are the only one on this board to know/hear about this incident?

Not even the resident know it all PTO, has ever mentioned it!

 

[StudHoss]

Well of course Studfloss, I do make typo's from time to time at the late hours, and beside the point, your the clown that opened the door busting on me with the illiterate and mindless comments, when your back yard is no better. Oh, to be a wordsmith like you Studfloss....one can only dream.

Sorry to hear of your let downs with the industrial unions, I know how you feel, being a disgusted TWU member myself. Did you ever try to make a difference? Or did you sit back and complain, let the chips fall on your thick skull? I think I know the answer. Being that you have never been an AMFA member, you know nothing of the organization except what your told, read in the bias media, or when PlaytheCods opens his scab pie hole. As far a the AMFA raiding part, its the same old lie. AMFA has no paid organizers, its all grassroots from guys like me. Its a sore spot for the IAM, TWU, and IBT, because they have to pay someone to do their bidding. Also, the fact is they have lost so many members to AMFA, but a aircraft mechanics union for aircraft mechanics is the way it should be. In addition, your wrong on the support from other unions, as the UAW gave AMFA members striking Scab Air a substantial amount of money for their members. As well as some F/A's and groundworkers who came out for picket line duty with us. This is their fight too, as we now see very clearly....they are next.

The word "nonsensical" perfectly discribes your bovine scab lovin' blather, as according to dictionary.com;
1. Lacking intelligible meaning: a nonsensical jumble of words.
2. Foolish; absurd: nonsensical ideas.

Which is what statements like this are;
"You'd much rather be out there in the cold, jobless, spending your savings on necessitites rather than retirement, spouting mindless, nearly illiterate, led-by-the-nose-by-DeLaFemme drivel...." What idiocy.

I also idolize no man. Although I respect many, including Mr. O.V. Delle-Femine. He has more tenacity, morals, and BALLS than most men twice his size, and half his age. This is why corporate airline thugs like Dougie Stealin' hate him, along with their lap dog industrial unions. You also may bust on my name if you like Studfloss, at least mine is the same one I have had for years. Its old news, BTDT, and Gene Hackman is a great actor, glad to be associated with him. It's so much better than "StudHoss", which sounds like a "funny" horse in a movie akin to the Brokeback Mountain genre. Sportin' on the big screen in a pair of sexy "Studfloss" spandex rodeo undies, how fitting. Giddyup....

Glad your sticking around Studfloss, I'll look forward to more nonsensical posts after you visit the boss. His Codpiece runnith over...make sure you clean it well management bootlicker.

Now I am impressed. No kidding or B.S. this time. There's a least a modicum of "reasonable" in your last post, as opposed to previous ventings. I do admit to baiting you a bit, mostly to see which direction you'd go.

Now it can be about the real issues.

I have a few questions:
If AMFA was supposed to be a "mechanic's union for mechanics", what in the WORLD possessed you guys to sign up the cleaners?

You post that Delle-Femine (and here I apologize for getting his name wrong) "has more tenacity, morals, and BALLS than most men twice his size, and half his age." Where is the "intelligence" part?

Why was he so reluctant to let his membership actually VOTE on any of the proposals that NWA put on the table?

Why did he and his cronies adamantly refuse to save even a FEW of the jobs that he could have saved?

Why did he dismiss out of hand any proposal after the strike began that would allow AMFA members on strike to collect a little cash and get on "furlough" status, and not come away totally empty-handed?

You poor schmucks HAVE been led like lambs to the slaughter in this particular labor action. You union leadership did not take into consideration the length of "corporate memory". Della-femine et al did not take into consideration that when they "negotiated" the last contract (which made NWA mechanics the second-highest-paid in the industry), they were actually declaring war. And then your leadership was silly enough to actually GO to war with inadequate or non-existent strike funds, no clear and substantial support from the other unions (and I mean REAL support....the kind that takes EVERYBODY out, not just a few thousand dollars in the AMFA kitty), and no tight-leash control over their membership as the strike deadline approached. Your leadership FAILED you.....in spades. THEY did not lose their jobs. THEY still get a paycheck. THEY don't have to worry about making house payments or keeping the lights on. THEIR homes are secure, THEIR offices are still open, and THEIR kids don't have to hear the inevitable bickering in THEIR home about "why doesn't Daddy have money any more?"

It's a sour situation all the way around, for all involved.....but instead of palying the "blame the company" game, why don't you look at the failures on BOTH sides?

While I don't agree with many Douggie's actions, I don't agree with the AMFA stance, either. This has been, and will continue to be, a contest of ego and will......and AMFA doesn't have the cash to keep it going indefinitely.

By the way, you might want to advise your buds at AMFA5.org that the publishing of any person's image, a recording of his/her voice, or publishing of confidential personal information WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION is against the law. That practice violates the right to privacy.....and while you guys don't think any of us DESERVE privacy, try putting the shoe on the other foot. Wouldn't you be looking around for a lawyer if some group of people began publishing YOUR picture and libeling YOU? Think before you react.

Now, as far as my screen name.....*shrug*.....I frankly don't give a rat's ass what you think.